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Hull To Make Second Bid for Curtis Davies?
with thanks to PIMO on bcfc.freeforums.org who alerted me to this story
The Hull Daily Mail have reported that Steve Bruce is to make a second, improved bid for Curtis Davies in the coming days as he tries to bring the centre back to the newly-promoted Tigers.
The article reports that a bid of £2mil – believed to be what Norwich bid in January – has been knocked back already and that Hull are ready to up this to £3mil along with Jack Hobbs.
Davies, 28, enters the last year of his Blues contract this season and is believed to want a move back to the top flight.
I have to say that I think £3mil and a player probably represents a decent deal for Curtis; as much as I admire him I’m aware he’s probably on a fair wedge and it would mean that some wages are freed up, some money would come in and a player to cover his position.
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Everyone is for sale, it really does not matter if we get 2 million or 22 million the club as such wont see a penny, it will mainly go to administration fees.
Good luck Curtis wish him all the best very good championship defender, terrible premiership one.
A fair deal for us would be sad to see him go but frees up some moneys, 3M and Jack Hobbs.in return not bad business….
If it’s true, a great deal. For me, Davies is worth around £3.5m and from what I’ve read Hobbs is a decent player himself. Given our financial position, nice we’re not getting robbed! Perhaps this could be a Bruce AJ-Morrison swap sequel!
Everyone assumes Jackie boy would want to come here mmmmm
Which in itself seems highly unlikely infact I feel that very matter
is indeed holding the deal up.
Think you hit the nail on the head
More than likely to be wages with Blues unable to compete.
Although I think that’d be a good deal, if us not getting Hobbs in exchange meant we received a bigger fee, I’d have to opt for that. I’d rather have £3.5/4 million for Davies than 3 + Hobbs, as we need all the cash we can get, towards getting out of debt. That’s always the priority.
We can bring a defender in on loan, would be delighted to get Kilgallon. We can maybe promote James Fry, plus Packwood will return. Davies been a great player for us last season, but we need to get rid of him to work towards balancing the books. The fact we finished midtable last season means his departure wouldn’t necessarily put us into relegation trouble.
Gabriel are you Peter Pannu in disguise??? The spine of the team is ripped apart if Curtis Davies is repllaced by another inexperienced youngster. Its just one step too far in promoting the Academy lads into a position that requires experince.
if davies is entering his last year of his contract and his worth 3 mill plus a player then Redmond is worth double say can people say 2 million when davies is 28 and Redmond is 19 if the kid goes I want 4-5 million and a wide player
Hull fans seem to rate hobbs and would rather keep him than have Davies, so a good deal if we can get him, especially if its a permanent deal, would have to hope its 3m up front so we can pay all our important bills i.e. Taxman, wages and pannus consultancy deals :p
3million upfront and Hobbs on a 3 year deal would be nice, Davies playing championship football in 2 seasons time, that’s Pannu’s wages for the year sorted and Zigic if we get 3 million happy days
Davies for £3m + Jack Hobbs? I’d snatch their hand off… in fact, I’d take the whole arm off. I think we’d have the better half of the deal.
I would agree with you, tbh I am not that bothered about what club Davis choose that his decision. imo I want the best deal for bcfc….
Davies wants to go so let him go. Redmond wants to stay, so keep him. I know Jack Hobbs was highly rated a couple of years ago, so lets see if regular football can turn him into another gem.
If Hobb’s is that good why would Brucie want to off load him and if the deal goes through we will probably never get know how much it was worth.
Curtis Davies leaving will be a big loss and if we have to stick another inexperienced youngster there then I think its a big ask for whoever plays to expect them to play a full season there. Reading hull city fan sites then it does seem most want Hobbs to stay so he can’t be a bad signing if it happened but I also think that’s been the stumbling block to us selling him hence hull seem to be going to up the cash offer.Personally i’d rather have a player and cash because no money will be made available to buy a player.
At the end of the day, Davies is still OUR player, so WE can ask what WE want for him.
It makes a nice change for us to be in charge of a deal, instead of the buying club saying “This is what we’re offering. It’s £2m less than what you’re asking, but hey ho, you need the money, so…”
Stick to your guns Clarkie, we want a replacement + cash!
The grass isn’t always greener & the sooner CD understands that the better for him, he should realize by now that the best he can be is a very good championship player, i’m afraid I agree with some of the other posts that he is NOT a very good prem player.
I see also that we’ve thrown our hat into the ring for Frederic Veseli who is very highly rated & has surprisingly turned down a new contract from Man U to seek pastures new & could be just the sort of player we need to fit in with the LC youth revolution
Seems a bit of a mystery why they’re letting him go. http://hereisthecity.com/2013/06/08/vr-the-rise-and-fall-of-manchester-uniteds-frederic-veseli/
But, going on the article, he could be a top defender, so I’d be surprised if he dropped to the Championship after being at Man City and Man Utd.
Staffsblue need to get a dvd to him quickly………lol
You never know-………
If we could get a player like that, it would be a major coup for the club. It would make a lot of players sit up and take notice. I’d be very surprised if we could afford his wages though. I know he’d been mainly a reserve, but a reserve in the Prem probably earns more than a first teamer in the champ.
* he’s been mainly a reserve.
Pressure on brucie not clark, who to say Davis might want to join norwich?
What has Norwich got to do with anything????
Norwich have been keen on him since January. Rumours are, they’re still interested.
Lets have price war come on norwich offer 4 mil lol
And they’re both ex-Blues managers… so make ’em pay! lol
Big time lol
3m plus Hobbs on balance looks like a very good deal. I would be excited about having resolved the Davies situation and getting in a very good replacement. Hard to enthuse about the money coming in as there has been no indication from PP that a proportion of this (even £200k!) will go to LC and with PP’s wage hikes and inordinate pocket expenses, it could end up as dead money as far as “the club” is concerned.
Maybe we can ask dan to check the accounts afterward………just to put fans mind at rest……..as they say it all accounted for…….
Mark,
Dan has explained before that the accounts don’t itemise each individual transfer -in my view they should but this policy appears to be the norm in the football industry.
True but at least a high earner will be off the wage bill.
This can be in blues best interest to gain more milage out of this deal. Very please bcfc did not buckle on the first bid……..
£3m plus Hobbs would be a fine deal, and one we should take providing much of that £3m is able to be reinvested.
Kaje
Chances of the money being reinvested are pretty slim I’m afraid!
It will be invested… but not in the team I wouldn’t think. That’s why it’s so important to get cash + a player. It’s doubtful Lee Clark will get money to replace Davies, that’s why we need an immediate replacement as part of the deal. I would think that Clark would insist on it… after the fiasco with Caddis.
And providing Hobbs actually wants to leave a premier league club and actually move to Blues.
Ali- first team football for start, unless he got no ambition……sometimes it not always about money……
I would think that, if Bruce is willing to make Hobbs part of the deal, he will have had a word in his shell-like and told him that he may not be part of his plans. Unless another Prem side comes in for him, finances aside, he couldn’t do much better than BCFC.
It’s all to do with how much pressure his agent puts on him isn’t it? How much of a golden picture is painted and most players will walk. It’s been said before ..we’re a selling club, not a buying one. Right now though, it could be a good thing to get some money in and a player as well, but please not a red herring who would get benched all the time.
The simple fact is, we could see more then Curtis Davies leave, so one of the questions will be ..how reliable will the replacements be? The money will be obvious, but not as much of a priority for the fans, as it would be for the board(s).
I just hope we don’t sell to Norwich. The only replacement they were offering last time, was Leon Barnett. Good grief, if he arrives, don’t expect our defence to improve.
I think the deal might be us agreeing a long loan deal for Hobbs in exchange for Davies therefore not losing out on too much cash. I agree Davies is great in this league but sometimes loses his concentration and therefore gets punished more when playing in the Prem. Great deal for Blues.
…………..Curtis is worth £4million of anybodys money he scores goals in plenty like steve bruce did ,…invaluable ……..jack is good but not prem quality yet.and doesn’t score many goals ,…which is a must in the prem…….Nathan for £2million……..he could get a club that much through the gates in1 season and has 14 seasons in him …who is doing this price fixing ….£8 million for ince…£10 million for zaha….£2million for Nathan ….if I was Nathan I would take that as an insult.as we the fans do ……..we know the situation as everybody else does ….hes a great prospect….we expect a reasonable price …..if clubs are not big enough to pay a reasonable price ,then we will pass you as you drop down when we go up next season……….
Curtis Davies is a good player but he had his moments last season in the champship, he wants to be in the Prem if he does go to Hull I say he be back in Champship 2014/2015. I take 3m + player cause we all know the money wont go to Clark.
I’m not a great fan of Davies tbh. He’s a half decent Championship player… but I believe he’ll be found out massively in the Prem. He’s too easily beaten over his head and you can’t just stop and put your hand up for offside (his biggest fault.) Davies is ok facing upfield with clearances etc, but he’s too easily gone past for my liking and too often found out of position.
£3m+ a player will be fabulous business for us methinks.
Hobbs is the club captain and if you get him you will have a very honest player who gives everything for the cause. No pace but reads the game brilliantly and 99 times out of 100 in the right place. Sad if he goes but not sure he could make it in the prem. He is a club favourite.
Thanks TigerBlood, question is whether he wants to come to Blues, do you thnk he would rather regular championship football over the odd appearance here and there in the prem?
Will be sorry to see Davies leave, but it’s inevitable, so if we can convince Hobbs, who Hull fans seem to rate to sign it would be a decent deal. Am I hoping too much that this £3m plus any add ons from last seasons Mutch deal mean that we can keep Nathan! Would hope that Hobbs deal would be permanent not a loan, he’s out of contract at the end of next season and could then negotiate with any club he chooses.
My concern is ….is Hobbs fit and ready and able for a full first team season?
As I said the other day… he played 22 of Hull’s last 26 games last season. From Christmas onwards. You don’t do that unless you have a fair level of fitness.
Could be that Hobbs just isn’t premier league quality, doesn’t make him a bad player, not everyone is destined for the big league, he probably knows deep down that championship is where he is at right now.
I agree with some other posters LC won’t see any of this money so a player in is a good deal for him.
Hobbs suffered a rupture to his anterior cruciate ligament in March 2012, rarely do players come back to their best after such a serious injury. So maybe Mr Bruce is having us in the net here.
But fair-play to us as well because Curtis Davies is not Premiership quality , 3m would be a right result.
All in all not a great deal for Birmingham or Hull..
Blueboy i can tell you that hobbsy came back as good as new from his injury. After coming on as a sub there was a few moments of tentative play from him but then he was back to his old self and getting stuck in as hard as ever. I personally would like him to stay but sb knows what he is doing and the tigers will be in the prem for more than 1 season. In bruce we trust.
Thanks for the info Tigerblood. Good luck, you might need it!
CD Is the worst CH i have seen down stans for a very long time, i do not rate him at all, and i would be happy just to see the back of him for about the million mark.
WUM without a doubt
http://m.blackpoolgazette.co.uk/sport/blackpool-fc/brum-step-up-the-race-for-crainey-1-5771428
Please God, noooo. He’s a League 1 defender at best. And why the eff would we need another left back?
Curtis Davies is a fine player. However with just 1 year remaining on his contract and the possibility of Jack Hobbs coming our way this represents a decent deal for the club. I would prefer if the Hobbs deal was a loan though. If it does not work out then will not be tied to a contract like we are with Mullins, Lovenkrands and Ambrose.
Snap there hands off at 3m plus Hobbs, can’t see hull letting him go tho, think we will need up with 3mill no player
Agree Davies is not premiership quality, sounds a great deal for us, Hobbs has had a serious injury but I understand he has had 20 odd games since returning.
We will get a decent player plus free some wages too much to hope the money will be reinvested in the team I guess.
Crainey worth a punt keep going our clark we right behind you…..
For once, I disagree with you mark. He’s a bit like Robbo at left back, beaten for pace all the time. No thanks.
Only reason I can see the need for Crainey… is if there’s a chance of Murphy being sold. We have Murphy, Hancox and Bell in that position, and Robbo can cover there if necessary.
So why I ask myself.
Have you seen him play Staffs?
Not live obviously, but I’ve seen him many times in televised matches, from his Southampston days up to now. Why, haven’t you?
We already have experience at CB. We signed Robbo for that position.
I am doubtful that we will get the part exchange coming to us. Money upfront is our best chance. It seems that CD thinks he is a Johnston or Dann and we all know what happened to them. Personally dont think he will cut it in the Prem in a relegation fodder team. Think he would sooner go to Norwich due to CH.
To be fair you got to say Davies has been one of our better performers in recent seasons so will be a loss. Its about partnerships in centre defense. Think Caldwell was largely responsible last season for shipping goals. Besides Brucie should know about defenders!
Take the money and try to get a player but if not more money.
No Staffs cant recall seeing him ,will take your word as to his capabilities.
I’ve seen him play a couple of times against us at StAns, and I was up in Blackpool decorating a friend’s house coming up to Xmas 2011. I went to Bloomfield Road to see Blackpool v Blues whilst I wqas up there. He scored their first in a 2-2 draw. He’s another who bombs on, but defensively, he’s poor. Slow and often caught out.
Jack Hobbs will be on Prem money. He was a Liverpool starlet before then. Does he also have the ego to go with it. Hence he’s not pulled up any trees at Hull
If Bruce is letting him go be very worried as an ex centre half himself he know exactly what he’s going. Is it the serious injury? Is it he makes crucial unforced errors?
Better to go for defenders who have shown thus far they are not mistake-ridden. Ok that may be from a lower division and they may not make the step up but a better option IMO
Just remember Andy Johnson my friend…..Burcey Bonus’ makewieght to secure Clinton Morrison off Palace, (how Palace laughed and laughed and laughed……)
If sacrificing Davies to keep hold of Redmond then I am all for it, until January at least!!
Does anyone think we can manage with one new centre back… plus Robinson, Fry and Packwood. Or do you think we need two new centre backs? For me, we need two, because Fry is untried at this level and Packwood is recovering from injury. I’d love to see if Spector could still play there.
Agree we need two (but can only afford one) – so we will have to make do with Fry or Packwood I’m afraid, at least as second choice to pair with either Robinson and hopefully Hobbs….
Does that mean we can have caddis now?
If we did, who would be your No.1 No.2? As much as I like Caddis, I’d go for Eardley personally.
I’d probably play both and rotate them as need be. Keep them competing for that place too.
StaffsBlue, I agree when Davies leaves we will require 2 new centre halves, Packwood is still very young and will not be fit for some time and Fry is totally untried at this level. Robbo and 2 new centre halves will be required to provide competition and cover injuries/suspensions.
I think a centre pairing of Hobbs and Kilgallon wouldn’t be too bad, if we can get them.
Agree we need 2 centre halfs(we have already lost Ibanez and Caldwell) unless Clark is thinking about moving another defender in there. I think you need specialists tho as its a key position.
Dont think we need anymore full backs tbh
I think we don’t need 2. I honestly believe we need 3, maybe four. There is no cover for the position barring a couple of rookies and both of the centre backs coming through the academy were released – we’re left with Davies, Robinson, Packwood and Fry currently.
Do you think the resourses would stretch to three? I’m doubtful.
I’m confused by the Crainey story. We don’t need another left back. We have Mitch Hancox, David Murphy and at a push Robinson. Not sure how Murphys rehab has gone though? Will he be fit for pre season? Yes 2 more CB’s needed..
There’s Amari’i Bell who’ll possibly be 3rd choice LB next season.
It seems that Birmingham City, Wolves and Villa will all be building their squads around youth next season. It’ll be interesting to see who has the most success out of the three. The Witton team have a year’s head start.
With all these storys going around in the press it would be nice to draw a line under some of our targets with little time to go…lol
We start pre-season training 2 weeks Monday. I would think that it would be advisable to have at least one centre back in by then. How can you plan the defence with Davies about to leave? That would leave just Robbo and James Fry.
Hence the need to gel, lreland tour…….preparation everything……..hopefully next week we can move rapid on our targets. If hull are genuine with there figures that could be sorted by tuesday.
Shamrock Rovers is just 3 weeks after pre-season starts… that’s 5 weeks time. Gonna have to shift it.
Hmmmm, ‘balance the books’ …
About 40 million incoming transfer fees, round about 30 million in parachutes, not counting fees for outgoing managers.
We have paid out perhaps 3 million in outgoing transfers.
Low wage bill, except for Zigic and the useless Pannu.
What’s there to balance ?
Low wage bill – 25mil per annum isn’t that low…
Dont get wrong imo I believe many of our younger will excel simply because clark know how to manage them, and get the best out of their raw talent. If we are caught short I feel confident enough in clark that the talent will see us through in certain departments……….
The backbone of the team – goalkeeper; centre back; centre midfield; striker – should always have experience. Then the young ones can play around them. There’s no point being strong down the flanks.. if you have a soft centre. Get the backbone right and the rest will follow. Watcha think mark?
spot on
I believe Hobbs had a nasty cruciate ligament problem some time back. Hopefully his recovery and form since then has nothing to do with Brucies thoughts on letting him go. Dont know how much football he played last season but we certainly do not want another long term injury problem.
Good luck to Curtis, hes done well for us during uncertain times.
He came back and played 22 of Hull’s last 26 games. Also, read tigerblood’s (a Hull fan) comment at 10:27am.
Cheers, missed that one. Lets hope LC can get him in then.
I hope things work out for Clarkie. He is obviously working hard with very little backing.
He has my backing, 100%. Has had from day 1.
In reality, jack Hobbs will only come to us on loan. Hull won’t let him go and we can’t afford him… Maybe we should go in for the Solihull borough 2nd team centre half, he’s up for sale for a pot of bovril and a tube of Pringles … Cheers Dave, Dave, Ralph and miss piggy… Fit and proper test my spotty arris!!!
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/birmingham-city-interview-lee-clark-4324912? look at all those empty seats behind Nathan! imo this bcfc testing the water on how much they think Nathan worth???
If curtis deal can be done rapidly this week…..imo Nathan should be immediately wrapped up with a two contract, and put all this silly talk of leaving to bed……………
With only two weeks to pre-season in bcfc best interests imo Clark will want every one in place. Surely
Nathan’s leaving will not help this cause, we have been aware of Curtis wanting to leave for some time now…………….
How the heck the club have let it get down to the last year of his contract is unbelievable. He should have been offered a new 3 year contract by now. I know all about the finances… but still..
Redmond that is… not Davies.
tbh totally agree, a three contract for Nathan… yes he should have been tired down much earlier………. imo he is only going to get better and better as we noted in his u21 games, my worry is once he gone maybe two years down the line his stock could be unbelievable…….. another thought ….(are they waiting for Davis to go, then offer Nathan better terms??who know??)
imo a hope Clark does not get too frustrated seeking his reinforcements???
I think it will get busy this week with transfers, Almajir you said last week you think Redmond,Davies,Burke,King will go that will leave us with no rw or lw so do you think if one will go they will have already placements for theses.
Tracy- with reference to Dan statement we know Davis is gone at some stage……. blues have taken up Burke one year option….. Dan know king does not have to go any where he still under contract imo he will probably stay, and see out his contract,and see what he can get later on probably in January window. Redmond still sore point as he has 12 months to go, again my opinion only it in his best interest to stay with blues to continue his football development.
For me, if Redmond goes, it’ll be bugger all to do with bettering himself, it’ll be solely down to hard cash.
He’s done fine so far, and is progressing nicely AT HIS HOMETOWN CLUB! He’s steadily progressed through the different England levels AT HIS HOMETOWN CLUB! He could be part of a brighter, youth-oriented Birmingham City future. If he wants to be.
k thanks Mark
just a moment of reflection I doubt very much we would turn this figure down if it rose again………………… http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/birmingham-city/9788417/Birmingham-demand-6-million-for-England-under-19-
Damn. Dead link mark.
Sorry – staffsblue it was fine when copy and paste……maybe dan can get hold of the link again maybe? Please accept my sincere apology…….
It was mooted in January this year that a 6 mil figure was what blues were demanding for Nathan.
No need to apologise mark, it’s not your fault the paper’s useless lol.
For potential, Redmond is worth more than 6 mill…. but, compared to what we’ve let players go for in the last 2 or 3 years, it’s a fortune. Still, if he’s gonna go, squeeze as much as you can for him.
for me 2 mil is peanuts for the talent of redders…………
Just seen a link on Sky for Dale Jennings. Aged 20 wanting to play and an exciting winger, wh has stumbled with Bayern Munich but went there for £1m. Surely if Huddersfield and Barnsley are interested and affording a deal this could be the ideal candidate for our left mid problems or an eventual replacement for Nathan…?
I saw that yesterday. Apparently, Barnsley are looking at other wingers.. so the way is pretty clear for Huddersfield it seems. Would be a promising replacement for Redmond, should he go. I remember him being pretty nifty at Tranmere. Don’t how he fared in Germany.
Apparently, he’s done well out there… a popular lad. He’s just homesick by the sounds of it. Never settled out there.
Dale Jennings is having medical at Barnsley today
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/birmingham-city/9788417/Birmingham-demand-6-million-for-England-under-19-international-Nathan-Redmond.html
staffsblue- I shall not be beaten lol hopefully you can click the link regarding nathan now
Cheers buddy!
I was please read clark determination to do all he can to keep him Nathan……you tell them clark kro
Mark,
If PP decides to sell Redmond -Clark won’t have any say in the matter.
bcfc website fixtures list on 19th at 9am…cannot wait
I hope we get Barnsley at home first game. Give ’em a tonking and lay the ghost.
Why? None of the 0-5 starting XI will be playing
Doesn’t matter to me, but it might stop some people going on about it. It was our worst result in many years, but it was still only one game. If we give them a trouncing, hopefully the 0-5 won’t be mentioned again.
At this moment in time, it’s possible that Murphy, Mullins, Spector, Burke, Redmond, Elliott, King could play, who all played in the Barnslet game. I would say that at least 4 of those could still be in the team.
Nathan Redmond… take note: http://www.sportsideo.com/blog/nicholaskitonyi1861/general/soccer_and_football/unlucky-zaha-may-never-line-up-for-manchester-united.html
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Serious point though- I would imagine that Davies is on £25k per week, King on £15k per week, Murphy is on £10k per week and with Zigic on £55 per week that is £105k which totals nearly £6m before the tax and national insurance we pay which would make £7m. Then you have the rest of the squad. Even then I would agree that I am suprised the wages are still this much…
We’re not getting any help from abroad. We’re having to generate our own funding as such. I think most of us would be surprised at the amount of expenses a club has these days… and not just wages. Things like the electricity bill must be huge… and that’s just a simple everyday thing.
that’s why ive been saying every little pound helps, keeping us afloat till things change
Yes Pete.
Think 25 million is more than somewhat fanciful.
Would struggle to put it beyond 17-18 million, unless of course the groundstaff are all on 20k a week.
Hope that wasn’t libelous !
SteveC
As you aren’t party to the actual player contracts, I suspect that your figure is as fanciful as you make the official figure out to be. Unless you of course know EXACTLY how much each player earns?
I don’t profess to Almajir .. but you DO !
Just taking a ‘rough, rule of thumb’.
Pretty obvious Marlon, Abrose, Lovenkrands are on biggish salaries, in the 20-25k ballpark.
Others like Nathan, Burke, Caldwell would have been pulling from 5k to 10k I reckon.
Not hard to get an idea and add some ‘ancilliaries in.
The ONE that sticks in the throat though is PANNU, who if was paid minimum wage it would STILL be a scandal !
No-one knows what he takes from the club in salary and expenses and I bet they never will !
So what you’re saying is your guesswork is likely to be more accurate than accounts, audited by an independent company and lodged with Companies House.
Gotcha.
Nope, what I’m saying is if we got a blind bat to comment on the accounts of BCFC.
I would have a few bob on them being more accurate.
Am I right in saying that Hull have signed Maynor Figueroa?
If this is the case then surely this is good news regarding keeping Davies; unless they plan in signing another defender.
The press reports I saw said they were going after both.
I wouldn’t have your heart set on us keeping Davies, I imagine if he doesn’t go there he will go somewhere else.