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Blues in for Man Utd Forward?

Credible sources close to this website have confirmed that Blues are in the market for a  loan move for young Manchester United forward James Wilson. The 20-year-old played the second half of last season on loan at Brighton and Hove Albion, scoring five times in 25 league appearances.

Wilson made his Manchester United debut in the last home game of the 2013-14 season, scoring twice against Hull City and has made a further 14 league appearances for the Red Devils – although only two of those were starts. With the emergence of Marcus Rashford Wilson may well have slipped further down the pecking order at Old Trafford and a move to St Andrew’s may appeal if it means first team football.

The big question for me is what that would mean for Clayton Donaldson. Gary Rowett has stuck firmly with playing one up front and Donaldson has made the lone striker role his own in the last two seasons. I like Donaldson a lot but I do think we over rely on his work rate and as he is getting older I would hope we can use other options instead of going with the tried and trusted technique of Donaldson running himself ragged.

I don’t really know enough about Wilson to say if I think he could do a job for us or not. As much as Blues aren’t really in the market for expensive players I’m not keen on loans – I’d prefer it if it was with the option to buy because then there is a chance if the player does well we can keep them longer term; otherwise it’s the old problem of being in the same position again potentially 12 months down the line – looking for a player to fill a gap.

Whether it will happen or not I don’t know; however I think it’s interesting that a player that was definitely out of our reach financially 6 months ago could now be within our remit. As much as it’s been assured that the money promised to the club following the restructuring of BIH’s shares will only come in after the deal is done it shows things maybe aren’t as tight as they once were.

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96 Responses to “Blues in for Man Utd Forward?”

  • mark says:

    what about nick powell looks a decent punt

  • mark says:

    what you want Daniel is a striker who will play without fear, and is extremely confident in themselves when the chips down not asking a lot really :) oh and about 10-15 goals

  • mark says:

    RIP we will keep on to the end of the road…………..b’ham,b’ham,b’ham……sad loss

  • Dave Mann says:

    He got in to the first team at Man U before Rashford but at 20 and a loan signing .. Sorry no not for me because he won’t play and I would rather have our 20 year olds pushing for the bench .. Obviously talented but a no no from me ! KRO

  • Nigel sale says:

    We may have a loan agreement until money comes best of both worlds

  • BhamCityJulian says:

    TTA would be shooting themselves in the foot by not bringing forward earlier if they missed a deal.

    Funding it earlier would mean: 1/ their prepared to put the future of BCFC first; they will take sensible decisions based on rationale rather than being inflexible; 3/ they’re not short of a few bob and it liquid too

    • BhamCityJulian says:

      Apple apologise for the bad grammar.

    • almajir says:

      How would they bring it forward Julian? By lending us even more money than they already are? I’m not sure they’re allowed to do that now they’re formally involved in buying the company.

      • BhamCityJulian says:

        Like you I’m not a lawyer but I would think it was an issue unless it was ‘material’. Perhaps it is and they can’t.

        With regard to the restructuring documenting which I’m wading through and enjoying reading, CY and his ‘connecteds’ appear to me to come out of this so badly that BIH must have had them over a barrel with the lawsuits

  • David L says:

    Nick Powell – now there’s a sad waste of a talent….a man who would have been well served by being a big fish in a small pool but sank – albeit enjoyably – without trace in a bigger pond.

    Great at Crewe, scored amazing winner at Wembley, loads of hype followed and there he was off to Man U.

    Where presumably the hype has gone to his head and his burgeoning talent has rotted in the reserves and on various loan deals. Even the amazing team spirit at Leicester couldn’t get him to remember why he was touted as such a star.

    Apparently quite an individual personality too – so unless you fancy taming a wayward talent – and he was quite a creative midfield talent – thanks but no thanks.

  • Dave Mann says:

    That’s fair enough Nigel but as I said he propably won’t play anyway so what’s the point ? .. Only my opinion ofcourse . KRO

    • BhamCityJulian says:

      I think we are planning to sell Donaldson while he his reputation is still high. I expect he’ll be keen on a nice signon fee as he almost went to Leeds last summer. Would explain the Vaughan signing without playing him

      • bluenoseneil says:

        Donaldson is going nowhere.
        That’s just utter toss…..
        We have one rexognised striker with regular first team football under his belt, a decent goals to games ratio and a few good years left in his legs. Why would we sell?
        I never EVER want whatever it is you smoke, Julian…

        • bhamcityjulian says:

          We shall see Neil.

          Read Dan’s reply above to my comment on the Settlement Agreements. I appear to smoking the right substances then. Also I foresaw Clark’s failings at the first point the BM touted him, disagreed with all the doom and gloom merchants when they talked about Administration being around the corner and said that Panos should not be tarred with the CY/PP brush after reading his LinkedIn profile. Again my ‘smokes’ we’re alright then too :-)

    • steve says:

      He’s been a regular at other clubs Dave. I would have thought he would want some assurances that he will play because he can go to other clubs and play every week.

  • SOTV says:

    Wonder if they can throw a defender in with the deal..

  • David myers says:

    Stop writing everyone off first of all this james Wilson is not be a bad player he can get us goals and 2nd of all give the new owners a chance and stop moaning about 10mil itl isn’t that bad i seen teams spend 7mill 8mill 3mill on top players yes i know they got more money than us all im asking promotion is our goal i know we like 10th again but its time to move on now we need to be where belong and thats the premier league lets get behind the team and support them lets sell out two kro sotv.

  • Dave Mann says:

    Again I don’t think Wilson can play the loan striker behind three advanced attacking midfielders which is Rowetts preferred option .. Donaldson leaving and Wilson coming in is not the solution . KRO

  • Richard Granfield says:

    Wilson is a technically gifted player with a good left foot. But at twenty and an unimpressive goals per game ratio, I feel he hasn’t the maturity or goal power for Blues.

  • williammorgan says:

    Dave Mann’s right , we have not been given money to have players sit on the bench , the best eleven players we have as a team are about 25 goals short , we need a left sided attacking player that is a prolific scorer and can cross a ball ., And have one of our own young strikers on the bench , and if we can’t afford 4 players we must settle for 3 rather than sign the wrong sort of players , …..KRO

    • StaffsBlue says:

      That’s one of the biggest lessons I hope Rowett may have learned from last season. If you’re going to have a small tight squad, then new players HAVE to be first team ready. A lot of his buys/loans last season were a waste of time, not because they were crap, but because they hardly ever played. A player can’t build up any kind of decent form when they only get a few minutes or a game here or there. With this season’s purchases, there have to be no passengers, or this season will be similar to the last one.

  • jonno11blue says:

    To me our first point of call would be to get Jon Torral back together with a centre back. Obviously we need a striker midfield player and definitely a left back as well. Frustrating part is it’s now mid June and there’s been no smell of a signing.

    • bhamcityjulian says:

      Jonno. Stop panicking. The signings will come but I doubt one will be Toral. Fabbrini was brought in for than role as Vaughan to replace Donaldson

  • ChrisG says:

    It’s interesting that we are linked with so many players considering this supposed £10 million for transfers won’t actually come into use until the transfer window is firmly shut. So the obvious question is how juch money do we actually have?. I know in the football world that clubs always pay for players in installments so will GR be able to spend above what he has at the moment, whatever that may be, taking into consideration that this money will be available once the takeover is complete?.

    • StaffsBlue says:

      I think that’s a good point. But, as to how much Rowett has to spend… it’s for him to know and us to mind our own business. :)

  • Dave K says:

    I’d gladly take Powell and Wilson, good players. Donaldson is a class bloke, but a lot of his hard work is chasing his own shocking first touch, at least it was last season, his technical abilities seemed to have regressed. Plus, and I’d like to the stats on this, how often was he just standing offside? Against sheff wed our inability to clear pur lines was what cost us the game, as they got a freekick 70% of the time we cleared the ball forward. Shame because i like him. Hopefully he comes back refocussed last season. We need a new cb, has david wheater signed for anyone? He was some player a few years back and isn’t 30 yet.

  • williammorgan says:

    If TTA have ambition for blues to get in the premiership , but the deal won’t be struck until October , and we are allotted £7 million to run Stan’s next season , what is stopping them from paying more of the money from the start of the season on higher wages needed to sign quality players that are contract free , and taking the money out of the transfer player money in October to replenish the Stan’s money to its original level so we do not have to sign players that we don’t want or have to get rid of ,, which will disrupt the team by taking time for players to gel again ..we need to take every chance of promotion by hitting the boards running at the start of the season , come on let’s get this club moving up ..KRO

  • StaffsBlue says:

    To be honest, I don’t really get excited about loan players, wherever they come from. Yes, you get the odd good one that works out (i.e. Toral,) but they’re the exception rather than the rule. I’d rather bring in a good quality league one player permanently than some premier league’s afterthought. But that’s just my personal choice.

  • C1Bcfc says:

    Don’t know how anybody has not mentioned we are desperate for a left back. Grounds is a complete waste of time and money and should go. Priority for me. The amount of times this season i’ve seen him get beaten down that left side is beyond a joke. Easily read and exploited every game.

    Left back 100%, maybe a centre back and midfielder.

    Really like Donaldson but i think his time has gone to be honest. Hasn’t looked as sharp since he came back from his injury. Frustrating because i think he brings people into the attack well and works hard but has lost his finishing touch for me.

    KRO and SOTV

  • Tony says:

    Sad that today we lose a player better than all this lot put together RIP Alex Govan

  • williammorgan says:

    I agree staffs …

    • StaffsBlue says:

      I just think that with loan players, whether you get promoted, relegated or paddle about in mid-table, it doesn’t really affect them. They’ll still go back to their own club and probably do the same next season with some other club. I’d prefer a player contracted to us every time.

      • ChrisG says:

        The thing with loan players staffs is they could or should be someone better than we’ve already got or could realistically afford, if they really made a difference to the team & helped us get promoted, it shouldn’t matter that they’re not “our” player as long as they give everything while they are here. Sometimes loans turn into permanant transfers which has happened many times in the past & when you don’t have a lot of money like us, if they do turn out to be a flop the when they do return to their own club it’s no sad loss.

        • StaffsBlue says:

          It’s a fair point Chris, but how many loan players actually DO give their all? A handful at best. I would think that other clubs want some assurances about playing time before they’ll loan their players out. Feck that, at least permanent player knows he has to earn a place in the side and will try his hardest to acheive that.

  • Waycoolblue says:

    If GR Signs him then it will have to be 2 up front he is not a lone striker. If this is true maybe GR is moving away from the 4-2-3-1 we could see 4-3-1-2 but for this we would need wingbacks cadis can play the right wingback role we would then need a left wingback as I can’t see grounds playing that but there is no place for wingers in that system so its a no go. what about 4-2-4 with defence wingers maybe or a 4-1-2-3 . Dimmed wide, or just a bog stranded 4-4-2 but there is no place for fabbrini in that. This is why I think this is not going to happen he don’t fit in to the team. He is a good player just not the right one for us.

  • bhamcityjulian says:

    I thought we couldn’t do loans from the coming season

  • bhamcityjulian says:

    TTA to Gary- “What positions to we need to upgrade for a genuine automatic promotion challenge?”

    Gary to TTA- “RB, LB, LCH, CMF, LW; Striker x2”

  • williammorgan says:

    You know there seems to be a trend here , Dan throws us a bone and we all sit round growling at each other until the most sensible growl that comes up claims the eating rights . And then GR steps in throws the bone away and does the opposite ,…Do you get it ……..KRO

  • Pods says:

    Apart from needing a striker – try for Kyle Lafferty.
    Fulham have released Dan Burn as we required a centre back he would be a good call- no fee.
    KIT
    Hope your ok Dave Mann

    • RichardM says:

      Agreed, was Lafferty such a disaster? Hardly given a chance at Blues me thinks, the minute one bobbled in off Donaldson’s shin he was “in form” and Lafferty was demoted to the bench. Utter waste to loan players and then drop them once your favourites are back.

    • Dave Mann says:

      Absolutely fine thanks Pods , how are you my friend hope your well and looking forward to next season .. I’ve taken a week out of work to sit at home , chill out and watch the Euros mate and have a bevvy or three so couldn’t be better pal … Just getting ready for the big game tonight with England top and flag in tow .. Have a lovely day everyone . :-) KRO

  • KinverBlue says:

    Hasn’t Gary gone on record as saying he’s looking at playing two up top next season?

    Hence him needing someone like this to complement current options.

    • Dave Mann says:

      I don’t think so , he’s happy with his 4-2-3-1 and can’t see him changing unless it’s during a game and in the last 20 mins or so . KRO

      • StaffsBlue says:

        I think he’s rubbished the idea of us playing 4-4-2 enough times now for us to be pretty sure it’ll be 4-2-3-1 again next season. Although saying that, Rowett is partial to a bit of double bluff. :)

        • Shirley BLUE says:

          If he had central midfielders who can hold the ball and keep possession then there is no reason we can’t play two up front. I would argue that Toral pretty much played as a second striker than a genuine number 10 anyway so it wouldn’t make that much difference tactically. If Wilson is available at the right price I would go for him. I also think a big priority is a physically strong central midfield player to play alongside Kieftenbeld so we can dominate possession more and play further up the pitch. If we did go 4-4-2 with say Donaldson and someone like Wilson then the obvious issue for GR is what to do with Fabbrini.

  • Bluesy6 says:

    nice one williammmorgan, that just about sums it up.

  • Blue Eyed Boy says:

    Wilson NO,Vaughan NO…..Oh dear basement signings to continue then GR?

  • ChrisG says:

    Tbh I don’t know a lot about this lad. We’ve been linked with a lot of players so far & they are either not much good or they have certain issues, the one that a lot of fans would like to see, Tesche, hasn’t been mentioned a lot as to whether GR is interested. Problem is no one knows for sure what Rowetts thinking is, (no change there then!). One thing we do know is he likes a small tight squad, well he fell flat on his arse this season as come febuary they were all knackered. I’ve always liked the idea of 2 players for every position especially in this league where there are so many games I think being able to rotate a little keeps players a bit fresher for the final push in the last months of the season

    • StaffsBlue says:

      I’ll add to that Chris, in saying that each of the two players for every position have to be first team standard, or we’ll end up with the same shortcomings as last season. I absolutely agree with the rotation. If players are sitting on the bench week after week, month after month (especially when some players in the team are off form,) what incentive is there for them? Then they’re expected to put in a performance when they do get a sniff.

      Yes, it’s hard to keep everyone in a squad happy, but fair dos can go a long way.

      • ChrisG says:

        Definately staffs mate, how many times last season did GR say he was gonna change things around for the upcoming game system/players/youngsters and come saturday it’s the same old same old. There’s nothing wrong with being loyal to players but sometimes you have to be cruel to be kind

        • StaffsBlue says:

          That’s what I meant by Rowett being partial to a bit of double bluff. These days, I take what he says with a large pinch of salt.

  • southcoastblue says:

    Nowt wrong with loan players as such…Seb Larson, Obafemi Martins! Just need to do the due diligence thing and know what you are getting. A youngster with a top premiership team maybe has a lot to prove…or maybe too lightweight. A player coming back from injury may be fit and raring to go…or not. An older prem player may be just after the pay packet….or has just the right experience for the championship. It’s easy to say GR could have done better than Lafferty or Buckley….but who else could we have afforded that would have done any better?

    • Dave Mann says:

      Southcoastblue, propably the most sensible post today and about sums our situation up . KRO

    • StaffsBlue says:

      I still think Buckley and Lafferty could have done a good job for us.. given the games. They only started 9 games between them. Not exactly value for money.

  • williammorgan says:

    HT…. lalana playing In front of Rooney ….played great 0-0 says it all …there’s a big difference in looking great and being great

  • williammorgan says:

    When it looked like we werent going to score lalana should have dropped back Rooney moved forward , Kane looked tired 15 minutes from the end vardy should have come on and replaced Kane , not quite enough shots on target to guarantee 2 goals , too many shots by midfield players instead of strikers , Kane looked redundant half the time on his own…. .players played great , manager didn’t , Come on England …

    • Royinamillion says:

      How many times have we said it. Englands defence is a problem as shown tonight. We had enough chanes to win 5-0 but we didn’t take them. Sorry but we have shown tonight just how badly prepared we are for these type of competitions and second rate teams like Russia will always fancy their chances against us. Wrong manager again, Hodgson picks players who he thinks like to play some of his screwy formation Iideas. Square pegs in round holes. He brings on his mate Milner who would struggle to get into Villa’s team rather than Vardy or Sturridge when the situation was crying out for a striker to kill them off when we were 1-0 up. The Russians must be be laughing at this clown.

  • Royinamillion says:

    Nick Powell had an attitude problem at Leicester and they cut short his loan period. Don’t think we need that problem.
    Blues problems are obvious to all of us who saw them last season, they give the ball away too much, At times ball control and passing accuracy was woeful. Basic stuff like trapping a ball. Its all right saying we can attack from breakaways but that just highlights our shortcomings. And unless we retain the ball more consistently we aint getting into the top league positions. I agree with the Left Back problem as Grounds passing is awful but he’s not the only one. Of course you are going to lose the ball, thats footie but the teams that can dominate possession are more likely than not to win games.

  • williammorgan says:

    Goals win matches , defences prevent them , one goal doesn’t guarantee a win …..midfield players make goals and score some but are not as good at scoring goals as strikers , lampard was the exception but without him we have to get the balance between midfield players and strikers right throughout the game ..Roy in my opinion got it wrong , for me rose is a top player but he needs playing outfield on corners and free kicks to catch the opposition on the break instead of marking 6′ 4″ centrebacks , Sort it Roy….KRO

  • Royinamillion says:

    And why does Kane take the corners when he is one of the best headers of the ball and our top striker? It’s really bizarre and even commentators were baffled with the logic of it all.
    Still a point is better than none however timid Hodgson needs two strikers and in the 4 3 3 formation with Rooney tucked in and just behind the the two up front.
    I’d play Stones instead of Cahill and Dier, Alli and Wilshire Midfield. Plenty of energy there and a goal threat.
    Vardy must play against Wales. His speed will rip that slow defense apart and his partner either Kane of my preference Sturridge.
    Must win game otherwise its goodnight and goodbye England, and more importantly goodbye Hodgson.

  • Dave Mann says:

    That’s as good as we’ve played in the first game of a major championship and should have been at least three up before the Russians scored and created many chances so can’t be to harsh me thinks but yes the result is dissapointing but the performance encouraging … Vardy should have come on for Kane who looked knackered and Rooney played in midfield as though he’s played there all his life … Not as bad as one thinks personally. KRO

  • williammorgan says:

    Rooney with his top drawer passing proved to me what a great player he really is …..

  • Tony says:

    It was so predictable, in the last world cup the smallest player on the pitch (Suarez out jumped Cahill and Jagielka to score.
    Last night our smallest player (Danny rose was beaten in the Air by one of Russia’s tallest the high diagonal ball once again was our downfall. Even though I thought we looked good going forward our defence is the reason we will not go far.

  • Dave Mann says:

    I still think semi finals at best is about our target like Euro 96 , anything less and it’s another failure for me . KRO

    • Tony says:

      Agree Dave semis at leas,t These are the most talented group of players England have had in a very long time, if only we had a couple of centre backs we could win it.

  • Dave Mann says:

    A Terry Butrcher and Tony Adams back two and we would have a great chance . KRO

  • Blue Lizard says:

    1 minute to go 1-0 up why the f*** wasn’t every England player defending? too many standing around in no mans land…so predictable even my mrs said ” I bet they score from this”

    • AdamTrueBlue says:

      We all knew they were going to score in the closing minute, it shouldn,t have mattered we should have been at least 3 up by then, but same old same old sloppy defending and a lack of concentration for the whole game.

  • williammorgan says:

    I think that’ over the years blues have come full circle , our transfer policy of something for nothing has caught on with most other clubs , it’s said that 9 clubs are after Stokes , Managers are all pleasing their boards by signing freebies , which is is covering up the reasons why most of them are free. I think that the only chance we as a team are to prosper is taking a chance on the best of the lower leagues or the likes of Ravel Morrison , but even then we are too slow , We should have all the gen on any player and a league table of best buys updated and at our fingertips at the club . Without money I have no confidence of signing anybody of note , and unless we borrow some of October’s money, my mind has deemed this as another wasted chance of the big time ..especially without gray and toral missing , to kick start our season off .KRO

    • StaffsBlue says:

      I think it will mirror last summer tbh. Late buys, with some we’ve heard of (Kuszczak, Maghoma) and some we haven’t (Kieftenbeld, Brock-Madsen.) I’m certainly not expecting us to sign anyone of any real significance… but I’d be pleasantly surprised if we did.

      • Dave Mann says:

        Groundhog Day comes to mind … Next season , same formation , same faces , same low attendances at home though Carson as gone , same few signings to warm the bench , same mid table finish …… Though come January with the new owners bedded in and Blues looking for a change to all the above I’ve just said it could get interesting but don’t hold your breath .. Weirdly though I can’t wait for the season to start !… :-) KRO

        • Hillfield Blues says:

          We have got at least 10 million to strengthen the squad which is signicantly more than what we had last summer so I expect us to aim a lot higher this year.The money will open up more possibilities with regards to the amount of wages we can pay above anything else.

          • Dave Mann says:

            It’s over three transfer windows mate so don’t get to exited .. I certainly an not ! KRO

  • Royinamillion says:

    Don’t think there will be any transfer activity worth mentioning until after the Euros has finished. Everyone’s on the beach or in France so let’s not panic coz we haven’t signed anyone yet.

  • williammorgan says:

    If tomorrow never comes …….


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