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Slow and Steady Wins the Race

It’s been a weird few days for this Blues fan; after all our travails with Carson Yeung there is almost Schadenfreude watching someone else getting scrutinised in the press in the manner Carson probably should have been.

Yesterday, I spoke on the Radio WM breakfast show about the parallels with the Carson Yeung takeover of Blues and how it was important to question intentions and decisions rather than just talk about how much money a potential owner has. Carson made a splash when he finally took over in 2009, promising much money to be spent on the team and while he did actually lay a fair bit out in player wages there was no plan for how this was to be financed or what would happen if things went wrong – as they did by the summer of 2011.

Who else was excited about money when Carson said he'd spend it?

I can almost understand why people are a little bit precious about the amount of energy and scrutiny that is being applied to Tony Xia Jiantong in comparison with Carson; when Carson took over no one really looked into his past history and despite the number of people who talk about “how they knew he was a wrong’un from the start” I think most people were like me back then – dollar signs in the eyes thinking about who would be brought in to the club.

Things were a bit different seven years ago. I don’t think the amount of information online was anything like it is these days, and from a personal perspective I had neither the contacts nor the skills I have developed to have looked into it as much as I could now. It’s funny though, because I see the same sort of denial disguised as optimism from many of their fans that I think we displayed ourselves back then.

 

TTA are secretive, no doubt. It took a bit of sleuthing through companies house documents to get a name for who was behind them, and he’s never confirmed it nor ever had a publicly available photo taken. That being said, once we had a name the paper trail out there from his past deals is out in the open to see.

Paul Suen can honestly say he’s held disclosable amounts of shares in six different listed companies in Hong Kong cos the disclosures are out there. I’m not sure just how rich he is – I’ve not seen a paying in slip confirming it one way or the other – but I actually don’t care; for me it is all about what his intentions are with the club and who he will leave decisions on running the club to.

There should be another takeover announcement by the end of this month; and hopefully the EGM will be confirmed by the end of next month. It’s a long, slow process and it’s been painful. However, I’d much rather Blues had a slow process done properly rather than a media bomb of miscommunications, misinterpretations and whatnot; it makes for a better future.

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125 Responses to “Slow and Steady Wins the Race”

  • gazza says:

    It´s not the speed, It´s the direction that counts.

    • DoctorD says:

      I agree. And the big difference between us and Villa at the moment is that we have Ernst and Young out in Hong Kong making sure things are run by the book. The danger is once TTA take over that the safety-net of a reputable finance group will no longer be there. As Dan says, TTA’s intention is all important.

    • Des says:

      I’m always sceptical about extreme secrecy in the business world, personally feel TTA are wrong uns, and I would guess that E&Y must have taken AT LEAST A COUPLE OF MILL OF US OVER LAST TWELVE MONTHS. But seems no viable alternative at the mo, video Lola just think you still have all this crap to come! Kro

      • Andrew says:

        I’d rather Ernst and young take a couple of mill off us in the last few months to set us on the straight and narrow than keep giving carson and peter pan all the dough! A necessary evil I think.

    • ESONEULB says:

      My Misses said something like that to me!!!

      KRO

  • Sideshow Bob says:

    Wise words. Villa’s takeover has the makings of a train wreck everyone can see it from the half truths and doubts about Swiss Tony’s business, dealings and history. One thing I would say for Blues is that to clear up Yeung and Pannu’s mess was never going to be easy or quick. Those at St And’s and Panos and TTA have at least gone about it the correct way and been clever in making sure that pair don’t ever step back in or have any say in our future. Yeah we don’t know TTA intentions or who they are but them and the others have been professional and beyond reproach so far

  • Eddie says:

    We cannot pretend our takeover is any better or worse than theirs.
    Just because they’re taking their time, he’s just as unknown as the Villa guy.
    At least the Vile guy is talking to their fans and trying to communicate.
    If we’re being honest, the Vile are in a better position than us

  • Martin says:

    If you have a two year exclusive agreement. You know why you want the club assuming a plan is in place. Tta are a worry in my opinion. They have no track record no front man no PR etc etc. I worry that they have an agenda which would not be transparent and implemented for the best intentions of the club. This will be a cold calculated business decision and making money will be the only reason they get involved. Like it or not that’s life now football is a business and profit is the aim.

  • ian says:

    Good Luck to Blues new season 2016-17 and GR manager is brilliant but Where need money takeover at BCFC ???????….. GOOD LUCK

  • Robin says:

    I like the Paul Suen can honestly say he’s held shares bit :) good read

  • Bluenosesol says:

    Seven years after my employer went bust I am still waiting for E&Y to sort the business out. They are absolutely raking it in for doing apparently very little (Hundreds of millions) in the most expensive corporate administration in history. So on the HK shenanigan front I don’t hold my breath. We have our 4 season tickets, we are waiting with baited breath for the fixtures to be released on the 22nd June and look forward to our battles with the Vile. Keep Right On!!

  • chris says:

    We are in a worse state as we know very little about TTA and they now own the ground yet are not the owners (yet).
    So BIHL shareholders own the club and it’s players but TTA own the ground and could sell it from beneath us and BIHL yet all some fans see is the money invested for Fabbrini, just as short sighted as some vile fans imo.

    • eddie says:

      but St Andrew’s was awarded Asset of Community Value status

      • chris says:

        yes it was but that doesn’t stop it being sold, it only gives interested parties a certain notice of it being sold for another purpose i.e. not football and a limited time for fans/ blues trust / other interested parties to raise the cash to match the asking price

    • bhamcityjulian says:

      TTA do not own St Andrews

      • chris says:

        by default of their £13 million loan to BIHL, they do.
        it is security against the loan, so if .e.g TTA pull out someone has to refund the £13 million secured against the ground or they could in theory sell it.

        • bhamcityjulian says:

          You can twist the facts whichever way you want but they do not own Stans and have no say it what BCFC / BIH do to it notwithstanding they are not allowed to run it down.

  • Farmerfizz says:

    I’d prefer the new owners to be financially savvy even if their long term aim is personal profit. You don’t need to have a great memory or go back a long way to remember the fiasco the Gold’s and Sullivan inherited. Third tier football and gates under 10k. Damson Lane flogged and a stadium that was an embarrassment. The Porn kings may have made £80m out of us but they left us in the promised land and a team that won our first trophy major trophy in my lifetime (and at 55 years old something I never ever dreamed would happen.) From a business perspective it would be insane for any company to come in and take on the liabilities without an objective plan to grow the business and sell it on as a profit. The incentive to invest moderately now and get promotion and then sell is obvious. I’m actually quite looking forward to not having an ego driven owner who’s emotively driven making decisions and a pragmatic approach would make a nice change from the chaos under Carson. Oh and 6 points off the Vile would nice as well. KRO

    • Des says:

      I loved the Gullivans & Karren, we owe them everything. Without their input we would be non league. Kro

      • Dave Mann says:

        You mean the Golds , Sullivan and Karen Brady ?….. Best owners weve ever had but don’t think that we would be none league by now Des but they were certainly happy days with quality players and quality home support .. Not the case now unfortunetly . KRO

        • chris says:

          can’t be the best owners ever when they sold us to a convict who already had a conviction in HK and didn’t have the money to buy the club outright so he had to go away for a year to raise extra capital.

          good owners also make sure they sell their club to someone else who cares and is a decent trustworthy businessman, not just take the money and run.

          shame the fraud squad don’t look into the money trail paid to them, considering what was said during Yeung’s trial.

          It’s like rebuilding a classic car and selling it to the scrapman

          • Cynic says:

            Stupidly, too many Bluenoses made the Golds and Sullivan feel they were not welcome at St Andrews; that their hard work and investment was not appreciated. So, like any sound minded (successful) businessmen they took the opportunity to cash in on a good deal. After all, what other idiot was going to pay them way over market value for an asset they no longer wanted?

            Look what they did with their money from the sale of BCFC – went away and more than doubled it, by continuation of their long term strategy at West *am!

          • Dave Mann says:

            They were !! KRO

          • Des says:

            Chris, they sold the club for 81 mill. Real value was about 30 mill so any numpties who offers that kind of dosh is going to have his hand snatched off. Don’t blame old board, blame moronic element who were already showing their anger towards them. CY was welcomed with open arms by so many when he rocked up, just proves old statement.. Be careful what you wish for! Kro

      • Stevio11 says:

        Without them, we would have no club. We were minutes from going bust,my dad knows as he was at the court when they were doing the papers to finish the club

  • ChrisG says:

    Have to be honest, i’ve taken absolutely no interest whatsoever in the dealings at vile park, I don’t support them so why should I? Although I couldn’t give a toss about them i’d be a liar if I said I didn’t care what happens to them in the future i’d just like to say publically that I wish them all the bad luck in the world & hope they get relegated for a second seaon running. KRO

  • Stating The Obvious says:

    Would anyone else think that a Chinese multi millionaire who is supposed to have studied at Harvard and Oxford is not capable of giving interviews in English?
    A Vile fan for years my arse!
    The pack of cards could go down if they really struggle next year…
    Let’s see

  • Dan McShane says:

    I agree with your point about not caring how much money Suen has, it’s what he does with us/who he leaves in charge that counts.

    My optimism and realism to the matter are combining here;

    I think we’ll be in the hands of TTA around October. Maybe a bit of money to tide us over/give us a push for promotion come January. Hopefully.

    • chris says:

      they’ve already given BIHL £13 million, how much more do you expect them to give?
      it seems they only want to sell the club on to new owners, so i doubt they will spend more than already loaned or they won’t make a profit when or if they sell it if we are still in the Championship.

  • gerard says:

    Here , here Chris my sentiments too i could not care a toss about the Vile and their totally inept fans may they go bankrupt out of business asap

  • Kazakblue says:

    Interesting article on the new owner of the Vile,

    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/86e008f2-1da2-11e6-a7bc-ee846770ec15.html#axzz49Z0foyAH

    It maybe that a tad down the road, they will be looking at proper investment and owners again, RO

  • mark says:

    joking apart Bobby Zamora here come the money mercenaries rather keep Donaldson
    Please GR pick someone sensible

    • ChrisG says:

      What it is mark, is now Eardly has gone they need someone to keep the treatment table warm!!!.
      I would have had Zamora a few years ago but not now he’s 35, we need to be building for the future & if GR brings him in I think it goes to show he hasn’t a clue what he’s doing. I would rather have someone who will play regularly & use Donaldson as an impact sub as he’s getting on a bit now as well

  • StaffsBlue says:

    I can’t understand Rowett being in for Zamora. 5 years ago maybe. We need younger players in the team, full of energy and pace. At least Jim Smith’s ‘Golden Oldies’ oozed class… feck knows what this side is going to ooze. Answers on a postcard please. :-/

    • Richard Granfield says:

      Staffs….Which Official source has said Blues are in for Zamora?

      • Dave Mann says:

        Bcfc followers are reporting it but not for me no .. No way ! KRO

      • StaffsBlue says:

        BM and Vital Football.

        TBH, there is only ONE official source and that’s bcfc.com… but you’ll get bugger all from there until a deal is done. So everything else is just speculation really.

  • Kazakblue says:

    Nicky Clark released by Rangers, 20 goal forward, maybe worth a trial, early 20’s, better than an injury prone Zamora, maybe.

    • ChrisG says:

      Isn’t he a hairdresser???!!!!. He’d certainly have fitted in with CY!!!

      • Kazakblue says:

        Hmmmmm Niki Clarke, blonde air and far to old for us, maybe he would have made friends with CY in Stanley jail, oops, dont drop the soap, KRO

  • zxcv says:

    I personally am very interested in what is going on at any club, and not just because this excellent blog is concerning Villa. Any club being taken over should indeed learn lessons from us or any other clubs recently been through what we have with Carson in particular. I am glad that anyone, let alone some one connected even as a supporter to our great club is prepared to go to the levels Daniel does ie searches, Radio interviews ext ext to show up and even expose the untruths put out their regarding prospective future owners of any clubs seeking new owners. It just makes me wonder if the Authorities even bother or care to do half as much diligence on these people as Dan does and why not? I find it interesting even unbelievable that Local radio and journalists Cant be bothered to do at least half the work Dan has done to expose even misunderstandings about someone personal wealth for example. its shameful imo.

    • AdamTrueBlue says:

      The papers look forward to clubs hitting hard times and having improper owners because it gives them something to write about !!

      • zxcv says:

        Adam the local rags have always done so mate, but Radio WM was prepared to Bull this deal up about the Vile`s new owner (I think based on a statement put out by the club) having wealth into the billions and owning more business than I own underpants. The very same people who run their sports phone ins have not got a clue on what has been happening at blues unless some one phones in to say Carson has done a deal with E&Y for example. Their own research is nil, and instead of taking things for granted about this guy (like Dan didn’t) they so easily could have if they bothered their arse found out so much just by paying a pound I think it is to be able to look at the listing as Dan has done at company house, or is it that they actually prefer to bull the fans up just to get them to ring in.

        • chris says:

          spot on about the vile show on WM, biased and dense journalism on BBC WM who know very little about BCFC.
          The same idiots that moan at Wolves owner last two seasons for not spending loads of money but ignore the £30 million plus debt aquired the season they were in League One, which he covered.

          • zxcv says:

            They are the ones chris. Tom Dross wasn`t always correct but at least no one can accuse him of being unfair or biased to one more than the other.

          • StaffsBlue says:

            I agree. Whoever he was commentating on, Tom got excited when any of our teams scored a goal.

            As for Radio W(u)M, it’s unashamedly biased towards the vile and the dogheads.

  • bhamcityjulian says:

    If Moyes wasn’t interested in dropping to the Championship why didnt he turn down AVFC immediately? Answer: he was interested until he did his own due diligence on Dr Xia?

  • williammorgan says:

    Why on earth would blues let go a promising young centreback in Jack Collis leave when the manager talks of producing our own stars , and to a another championship club , are we just an Agency for young stars or a proffessional football club . I am for taking time to find the right players as many being let go are lacking in certain technical skills that why they are being let go , we need to sign players gifted in the technical skills that the first team lack , I am beginning to wonder whether the club have told GR to wait for some money from the Redmond sale first before signing anyone ,

    • StaffsBlue says:

      Reading the article in the Bristol Post, there was on line that stuck out for me:

      “Now aged 18, he is looking to progress his career and join a club where there is a clear pathway between youth and first team football.”

      Could it be that our younger players are seeing their chances of first team activity limited? Although, young players still seem keen on signing for us, so..

    • bhamcityjulian says:

      He is not rated by BCFC but is by BCFC. No different to us taking Mbende when BM didn’t want him. Opinions. If the player wants to take a swipe at Gary et al so be it. Sour grapes.

  • Gerard says:

    zxcv who ever you are nothing personalbut why have interest in something true bluenoses despise ?

    • zxcv says:

      Mate, Read it again its about principle not about Villa in fact I said Villa or any other club for that matter. I care like many others do about the future of football and what is happening within the game not just at bcfc, and so should you because if you love football as much as I do and obviously as much as this blogger does.

  • mark says:

    i wonder if any of our future stars that leave will come back and bite us hard on the a**e…get in Nigel Pearson its appears he refused the vilers. Give GR the golden handshake…

    • StaffsBlue says:

      I disagree mark. I think Rowett should be given at least another season. For the first time, he has the chance to mould his own team this coming season, let’s see how does with that before making any hasty decisions.

      • zxcv says:

        I think Rowett is way to inexperienced for what this club needs. So I agree with Mark someone who has been their done it got the “t” shirt.

      • ChrisG says:

        Staffs, have to say i’m worried by Rowetts recent statement about the fact we may have to play the waiting game for any transfers. What the bloody hell for?, he says he has a long list of players he’s interested in so what’s he waiting for? all the best ones to get snapped up leaving the shit for us so he has another excuse if we have a crap season?. I know there’s a good 6 weeks between now & the start of pre season training but i’ve always said it’s best to get players in at the start so that they & we can hit the ground running by the start of august.

        • zxcv says:

          Chris, when has anything he has ever said made sense? ie We are only going to bring in players who are better than what we have, HA HA HA HA HA . Ya players like Van Brock hardly kicked a ball, I ain`t even going to bother naming the others you know who they are. His record in the market is deplorable imo. First job for new owners is point the way to the exit door to a level he needs to be at.

          • ChrisG says:

            Zxcv you may be right mate, I so want to believe in GR but he hardly instills confidence I must say & tbh I want nothing more for him to prove us wrong but statements like having to wait just puts you on a downer.

        • StaffsBlue says:

          Thing is Chris, not one of us knows what’s going on behind the scenes. It’s possible that money is coming, but maybe in a month’s time or more. Or maybe he’s under no illusions about what state we’re in and is cutting his cloth accordingly. There’s no point talking about the likes of Jordan Rhodes.. when all we can afford is Gary Rhodes. :)

          But I go back to my original point, no one knows what’s happening.. and we won’t know until someone opens their mouth and the truth finally falls out.

          • ChrisG says:

            Ye but staffs you have to look at this logically, we’re football supporters, aka the most impatient we want everything to happen yesterday hard to please breed in the world!!. And what makes it worse is it’s the close season so there’s no matches to vent our anger or pleasure at!!.

          • StaffsBlue says:

            Absolutely! We have the inspiring pre-season games to look forward to though. :-/

  • mark says:

    he had two cracking strikers under his wing vardy and kane would you believe it….kro

  • Des says:

    Reason we can’t sign initial targets is because of our wage structure, Danny Graham will have been on thirty grand a week for last three seasons, we will offer him 5k, now he isn’t likely to take that till his agent has explored every other opportunity! Kro

    • zxcv says:

      who has told you what Paul Suan or TTA has to spend and what wages we will be able to pay. I doubt they even know themselves just yet.

  • Bluey says:

    Slow and steady is one thing Dan but we`re more like stop and reverse.

  • williammorgan says:

    I think it will be any 4 from 20 ,; the first to say yes will be the worst so we will wait to see if any best say yes , where as the best will wait for a better offer to the last , unless Redmond is sold quickly then the best won’t have to wait to the last as we will better our offer and sign the best first… ha ha he ….

  • zxcv says:

    ChrisG, I understand your anger about Rowetts comments because I felt the exact same anger when I first read it. However like you and staffs have said above and the title of this blog eludes to, we all need to be patient and I lost the anger I felt from his comments by reminding myself that anything he spouts my well be him just trying to keep his job like Van the man at manure saying he was already planning for next season, the day after he was shown the door. So like has already been said I will wait and see results of the EGM and how quick it moves thereafter in getting in the new Board, I personally think once the EGM results is known then I see no reason why signing need to be held up as new owners are really not so new in our case they have been around almost all of last season and will have a good idea what is needed, BUT lets not get carried away as I know that this is only an opinion so who knows what they are thinking at this point.. But as far as Rowett is concerned maybe he would be best advised to button it till we all know more.

  • williammorgan says:

    Bobby Zamora’s slow and steady Dan , as said to compliment the Don ,for one season , why not ,

    • StaffsBlue says:

      He’s been a decent player over the years. Always reminded me of a poor man’s Teddy Sherringham the way he lays on goals with his feet or head. Not sure his legs will hold up anymore though.

    • mark says:

      how about slow then completely slow……..no desire no passion, kerching $$$$$$$ next

  • mark says:

    wonder if the fans will get a vote on getting rid the the feel it walk -out song…… Daniel what your personal view on it mate……….

    • StaffsBlue says:

      I couldn’t give a monkey’s what they vote for. It’s not exactly voting to leave the EU is it? lol

      • mark says:

        no staffs that’s on thursday 23th june lol

        no mate it nothing to jump up and down about really but maybe the feel it song loss it mojo……maybe fans can start taking their scarves to the home games and the coming out song can be keep right to the end of the road…..that should make the players hairs stand on end lol sign of unity on all four sides of our ground…….

    • almajir says:

      I don’t have one cos I don’t care. :)

  • williammorgan says:

    We cant afford a young Zamora, we are playing with two wingers , and can’t afford a striker that can head or finish like he can , slow yes but we are renown for players on last tango’s ,and who knows by the January window we might have money , until then we need to stay in or even better go up , KRO

  • Mitchell says:

    It must be hard for GR to admit to abject failure with the development of two bright young forwards in Jones and Johnstone. These two have never been given a chance nor a little run out from the bench. Out on loan yes-with imo a decent return of goals albeit at a lower level. Now lots of talk from GR to get competition for Donaladson but why? Better to compliment him and get the coaching staff to train up one of our young strikers including the pacy Arthur. Imo GR is cagey,steady eddy who will only take a kid so far then brakes on. Perfect example VSO-great start at Fulham -the rest we know. If our younger players stand little chance then I suggest they get their parents to ring Mr. Ranieri.

  • williammorgan says:

    Best of two evils Mitch, he has got to do well with the first team , he has got to do well with the youngsters ,problem is at the moment the first team is not strong enough to have the inconsistency of youth yet , perhaps this window will allow it to happen ……KRO

    • Mitchell says:

      William we have to coach the younger players. No good talking about the likes of Zamora,Graham,Vaughan etc..all players with chronic injuries that only make them available to the desperate clubs. Kane and Rashford should be an example as surely they must have come through coaching when serious doubts of their abilities were once questioned. BCFC are in the perfect position to let us see if they can progress as promotion is not going to happen for a good few seasons and stable defences will ensure we survive. What we at present are looking at is good young talent being forever shelved for the likes of Zamora,Graham,Vaughan etc. etc. with heavens forbid another batch of leg weary journeymen arriving.

      • mark says:

        quite agree with everything said mate……maybe GR not a great warrior of nurturing younger players, something clark will always be remembered by….their hidden talent, their rawness, their hunger, their skills, especially wanting to play for their homegrown club…Sort it out GR you got bags of talent there staring you in the face, you are just not brave enough imo…Mr Safety first…..i think you draw more than you win…..

        • mark says:

          it takes a brave manager to live by the sword, then die by the sword…oh i must stop watching G.O.T lol

  • bhamcityjulian says:

    The local media are suggesting Moyes passed over the B6 job to await Everton. Well unless that happens quickly I’ll call foul. If the B6 was attractive he’d had called Everton’s bluff and kept B6 waiting.

    DM, M and it seems NP have all said no. The local media should be basking why

    • mark says:

      i hope they carry on to the conference don’t you…all they need is another cr”p manager that should just do it…..who want to manage a club with no stability, the players don’t give Sh”t, players happy drinking and socializing…no motivation, no desire, no passion…..etc A big good luck to them pity the media worry about them not us……….

  • williammorgan says:

    We do have to coach the youngsters , and the first ability for a midfield player defensive or attacking is to be good at passing , Mutch had it , where are the other Mutches , and then if your an attacking midfield player you need to score goals and with three attacking midfield players behind a striker and two of them wingers so who ever is in the box needs to be a good header of the ball , how many of our attacking wingers can head a ball young or older on crosses , the stats don’t add up for the system we use to be successful , so unless we train youngsters up as good at shooting, heading , passing , dribbling , crossing , the three players behind the striker ain’t going to score enough goals that’s needed, if they haven’t these skills, so the 4+2+3+1 system will gain defensively but fail attack wise because of the lack of heading ability ,KRO

    • mark says:

      good football overview mate william, some of our matches was purely mental toughness, being able to close out matches…..but even the simple things went missing like passing, crossing, heading from senior players making the right decision, i believe we don’t have on the field footballing generals players with a bit of mouth. like the likes of..mark Dennis, grainger, carr, someone with a bit character…..some who gets angry when we are losing>>>pity there no younger version of PR lol

      • StaffsBlue says:

        The system Rowett plays won’t work properly until we have the right players in the important positions. Caddis and Grounds are no Stevie Carr and David Murphy. Stephen Gleeson is no Barry Ferguson. Clayton Donaldson will never be a Marlon King.

        Imo, we need 5 players of quality at RB, LB, CB, CM and STK. For me, if we fill those important positions with quality, the rest will fall into place. We have Kuszczak, Morrison, Cotterill, Maghoma, Fabbrini, Adams, Davis, Gleeson, Kieftenbeld, Brown, Arthur, Solomon-Otabor, Maxwell etc to compete for the other places.

        • Hillfield Blues says:

          Get your point but that is assuming he wants to go with the same philosophy and formation next season.At Burton Rowett favoured a 4-4-2 and flirted with a 3-5-1 now and then.I think a 3-5-1 suited the personnel available to him when he first arrived at Blues with Donaldson and Gray being good counter attacking types and GR playing to the strengths of his better players.Gray was sold and Blues had been worked out half way through the season so GR needs to earn his corn as a manager and find a style that is new,fresh and also has the capacity to have a plan ‘B’ maybe…..

          • StaffsBlue says:

            Rowett has stated on numerous occasions that we don’t have the midfield to play 4-4-2, so if he does make the switch, it would mean bringing a whole centre midfield at least, because clearly, Gleeson, Kieftenbeld and Davis are too weak a combination to play 4-4-2. I also think we need a big, strong ball-playing centre back to play behind them.

  • mark says:

    looks like Tomasz ain’t going any where, blues reject appoarch

  • mark says:

    aston villa relegated -67 millions

    bayern Munich champions 30 millions

    on tv earnings (premiership v Bundesliga) 2015/16

    football got mad…..what hope is there for the future……

  • mark says:

    Emmanuel mbende left the club FFs

    • StaffsBlue says:

      For a huge guy, he was pretty poor in the air apparently. So it’s not a huge loss. There’s a sell-on clause anyway.

  • StaffsBlue says:

    I see the vile’s new owner, Tony Xia, is a bit miffed at being compared to Carson Yeung.

    “Don’t put my name with him. It offends me. We are 2 different worlds,” he said.

    I wonder who’s upset him lol.

  • zxcv says:

    Maybe he should have a word with the people he now employs, twas they who put out the statement according to Wm

  • williammorgan says:

    Not meaning me hope zxcv ….

  • StaffsBlue says:

    Robert Tesche released by Forest according to their official site. There you go GR, time to sweet talk. :)

    • Richard Granfield says:

      Staffs…. Chris Burke released as well.

      • StaffsBlue says:

        Sorry Richard, but I prefer Cotterill’s last 2 seasons to Burke’s last 2 with us. I think he’d be better going back to Scotland tbh.

    • Hillfield Blues says:

      This one will tell us all we need to know about our activity in the transfer market this summer.GR has to be in pole position to sign last summers major target now he’s been released.His stock is high at Blues and no other manager will want him more than Rowett.If we lose out to a rival here it will send out a bad message imp.

      • Mirkwood55 says:

        The reason we didn’t get him last time out was wages – he was entitled to a new contract at Forest on significantly more than we were prepared to pay so who can blame him for going back. Unless we can match that contract we will be in for another disappointment which clearly will be blamed on GR by all and sundry.

        • Hillfield Blues says:

          According to Dan it was Forest who pulled the plug on the deal and decided to keep him for another year.It wasn’t a wages issue.
          I would imagine that his next contract wouldn’t be as good as the 20k or so he was on at Forest,he’s hardly set the world on fire since moving to England.

          • zxcv says:

            your spot on Hillfield, that’s exactly as I remember it. but at the time I seriously doubted we were even in for him.

    • Dave Mann says:

      Staffs , no going back mate , that’s what you told me !!

      • StaffsBlue says:

        I wouldn’t personally, but we all know Rowett is a big fan of Tesche. So, if he can do the deal, we might as well get used to it.

  • williammorgan says:

    Spot on staffs , a must GR

  • Dave Mann says:

    Robert Tesche and Chris Burke going forward .. Give me the most enourmous break because that is ludicrous .. KRO

    • Hillfield Blues says:

      Maybe not Chris Burke but Tesche would be a massive step foreward for me.

  • Dave Mann says:

    Its a step back Hillfield .. He’s already played for us !! KRO

  • williammorgan says:

    A playmaker that can defend make goals , pretty good goal scorer , and a good header of a ball , we used to sign players like that , kro

  • Mitchell says:

    Tesche had a bad injury and although I wish him luck-not for us second time around. Forest fans are not bad judges and from some I have spoken to they have found it difficult to string a decent sentence in his favour. It would be very dicey for GR to take this risk when we surely have equal to better players in house. Tesche would end up delaying any of our fringe players coming through eg Adams,Maxwell and maybe Brown.

    • StaffsBlue says:

      To be honest, those are the three I look forward to seeing in the first team. Whether they’ll get the chance is another thing.

  • bhamcityjulian says:

    Tesche in talks with Burnley

    • Mitchell says:

      That’s good news for Burnley,Tesche and more importantly us. We will never progress on harping back to former players -it breeds staleness. We need imo to enter this season with youth and pace yet not be timid of dropping some clangers on the way.Accept our transition without getting uptight about top 6. It is pure fantasy unless major surgery is done at the top end. Many a gem has been unearthed throughout the leagues by managers trusting their young guns to come good. GR has that luxury with Blues as if hiccups occur then in Panos he has the ideal ally with understanding and not the dreaded stick that the majority of Chiefs weild.

  • Mitchell says:

    It is rather sad to see B-M being released for the entire month of August to train with Denmark. This must be one of the most unfortunate transfers Blues have ever made. Long contract given and not a real hope of a future. I am sympathetic that these things happen but why the longish contract and a lesser similar situation with a player such as Vaughan who was gifted a further season contract before kicking a ball.

  • Maggs says:

    I’ve got no idea why anyone thinks it’s a good idea for either the Blues or our chums in B6 to be owned by groups with no connection whatsoever with Birmingham or the club or even the country, however much money they have.

  • williammorgan says:

    If the secrecy and waiting for news on all things blue is anything to go by , whilst everybody in Hong Kong seems to be hiding behind shadows , who seem not capable of under standing the passion felt by blues fans on waiting for news of new players , who seem to fail to realise that many blues fans families have been putting money into the club for over 100 years , yes why should we think that it’s a good idea , Because they want to put money in to buy the club ,….

  • Bluey says:

    I think we should organise a fans` buyout. I`d be Chairman obviously with Jasper Carrot becoming manager.


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