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Carson and Pannu: Still in effective control?

Carson Yeung once again became the largest shareholder in Birmingham International Holdings yesterday, converting 2.7billion shares from his debt conversion bond to give him an additional 27.89% stake in the company.

The next day disclosure form which confirms that the shares were converted from Carson’s debt conversion bond doesn’t say if Carson has immediately sold any of those shares – furthermore there is a three day grace period for any shareholder to declare a disclosable transaction so the calculations I have made below are based on the record available.

Current Ownership Structure
9681086733 Total shares 100.00%
2716352000 Carson Yeung 28.06%
1304000000 Yang Yuezhou 13.47%
453237000 Liu Xingcheng 4.68%
402206000 Lyu Yobo 4.15%
326646000 Liu Yuanjiu 3.37%
229054000 Luo Chao Kui 2.37%
163800000 Premier Rise Investments 1.69%
4085791733 Public 42.20%

From this table it’s easy to see just how quickly the conversion of shares can change the makeup of the ownership of the company – until Friday Yang Yuezhou was the largest shareholder with roughly 22% but the addition of nearly 3 billion shares has diluted his shareholding down to less than 13.5%; the members of the public with minor stakes in the company will see their shares become increasingly worthless.

This conversion should not come as a surprise. These shares were given to Carson in return for the novation of his loan and there was always going to come a point when he would have to convert them. He still has another 3.7billion in reserve to convert but he is not allowed to do so unless he sells some he already has as he’s not allowed to cross the magical 30% figure that would trigger a general offer – as well as sanctions under the owners and directors test.

It’s also worth noting that the shares were given to him in exchange for the £15million loan made to BCFC – money that came into the club not from his bank account but from third parties with a big enough lack of paperwork to scare the auditors into giving a disclaimer of opinion on the accounts. The shares he has converted yesterday are worth HK$132,300,000 based on yesterday’s stock price (HK$0.049) which is £10.89million – meaning Carson has got two thirds of the money back “he loaned” already with over half of the bond still to convert. Good work if you can get it.

The other announcement made yesterday by BIH concerned Peter Pannu and his consultancy agreement via his Asia Rays company. That can be viewed here – and talks about the amount of money he was paid under the consultancy agreement which was on top of the wages he got from BIH and BCFC.

According to the announcement, due to the money they were paying for Pannu’s housing allowance and tax reimbursement they found that the amount paid under the consultancy agreement was greater than the cap allowed for that year; the board were then forced to review every year and found the same situation had occured.

Whether this review has come at the behest of the alleged HKSE investigation into BIH is something else and absolutely cannot be verified but what can be verified is the exact amounts Peter Pannu was paid under the consultancy agreement – a grand total of HK$20.107million with HK$2.8million expected to be paid this year – £1.885m in total on top of his already huge salary from BIH/BCFC covering a period from the accountancy year ending June 2012 to accountancy year ending June 2015. This does not include how much he was paid between September 2009 and June 2011 – which according to documentation I have witnessed was paid by Carson directly.

What does this all mean to Birmingham City fans? Well – two things. Firstly, it would appear Carson is still very much top dog despite have no titular control of the club – and as he has no directorship nor does he own 30% of the club (his shareholding in BIH gives him an effective 29.12% stake in BCFC by my calculations) there is nothing the FL can or will do about it.

Secondly, it would appear that despite paying Peter Pannu more than they had allowed for there is nothing BIH can do about that either; although the consultancy agreement ended on September 30 along with his management contract there still has been no moves to remove Pannu from either board and the only judgement I can make from that is Mr Pannu still has some degree of control in Hong Kong. In my own personal opinion, neither situation bodes well for us.

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108 Responses to “Carson and Pannu: Still in effective control?”

  • Mickey07 says:

    Pannu…the rapist of bcfc….I dont wish ill on anybody but I truly wish he would just disappear. … (like off a cliff)

  • Dave mann says:

    More great news to dwell on over the weekend…..those stay away fans will be long past it if they ever do return, ah well not to worry its not my problem thank god…..kro

  • Peter Bates says:

    Like I said yesterday don’t boycott the team and gr but stop buying the merchandise and supportingthe events that makes money these people will still take the cream because the fans mean nothing to them lets start cutting the money supply to them

  • Dave mann says:

    That’s a very realistic way of looking at it Peter, you can still support the team and manager but not buy the extras which contribute to as some stay away fans keep saying lining the owners pockets..:those fans are just kidding themselves if they think there going to make any difference by ” boycotting” games…just sencelese and just a sorry excuse not to go …pathetic in my opinion and I certainly won’t welcome them back if they ever do come back which I don’t think they will anyway so as I’ve said not to worry because its not my problem!kro

  • paulo_bcfc says:

    I’ve had this nagging feeling that CY was never going to sell, but wanted the bait to be visual (seen and heard). It seems he moves in circles that we never will and are definitely not welcome in. His arrogance is astounding, and with the previous news on the ‘ruling’, it could mean he is also above the law. Pannu is just a leech and has trimmed the fat out of the club so much, that he wouldn’t care if we were playing semi-retired guys in all positions, and an 18 year old Sunday league kid managing them.
    Nothing to do with CY and his BIHL motley crew would surprise me anymore, but as far as I’m concerned ..they can rot in a gutter somewhere far away. If they showed their faces here, I’d welcome them with the same regard I have for Rabies.
    As for the Blues and the team, they’ve got my full support ..and that includes buying any tops, scarves and whatever that my daughter wants! You wont catch me staying in or going shopping when the lads are at home. I don’t care what anyone says.

  • Dave mann says:

    Paulo, good on yer mate because your daughter and family would be distraught if you decided not to go because of the owners,pathetic I know so you carry on buying the merchandise for your daughter and enjoying your time SUPPORTING your club that you truly love and not like the excuses that these so called “fans”use…..there problem is which they will never admit is they don’t actually give a damn…it’s true and you know it is so dont try and kid me!kro.

    • bluenoserob says:

      I think there are very few fans that have “boycotted” the club.We are a difficult club to support and the last few years have been a 30 year low and some people will decide that its not worth the heartache.To say that these people “don’t give a damn” is just not true.

      • Dave mann says:

        Rubbish

        • bluenoserob says:

          LOL

          • paulo_bcfc says:

            Ha Ha! Supporting Birmingham City is not for the faint hearted and neither is it for the glory hunters. Being truthful, I’ve seen Blues lose so much at home and away, but because it’s my team (my local team), it’s where the passion comes from. Let’s be honest, most of us could have supported anyone else (except them), but would never have had the fun. Nah, Blues is there to stay, always was ..and will be passed on.

  • C f says:

    Sometimes people have to make a stand if Peter Pan came back to fleece the club again it would stick in the gut of hard working bluenoses , when you have supported a club for 60yrs it’s hard to turn your back,but I could not give the parasite any more money.Sometimes you have to have short term pain for long term gain

    • Dave mann says:

      Then you have full time supporters and part time supporters…I know which one ime connected to….f–k the owners, f–k the expense and support your team at all times even in bad times end off!!!!!

  • Texas Pete says:

    The problem with any boycott is that if it is effective at all, then it hurts the club. The profits go first, then there are cutbacks to make the club financially leaner. That doesnt mean the owners go they are the last to go really when nothing else can be done. In fact an owner can hang on for better times rather than cutting their losses to sell up. The other approach for fans is to be the positivity for the success of the club. The current ownership is a bunch of chinese investors, so if after 5 years they are not going away, the fans should aim for the team to be more attractive to those investors. And a better situation for selling of the club.
    This is not the worst ownership period having won the leaugue cup against Arsenal, and finishing 10th in the Prem. We have seen many many similar seasons in thesecond tier and worse. Some of the decisions have been pleasantly surprising.including Chis Hughton, Caddis and GR. We are on a high right now and a boycott is not going to help.
    A disclaimer – if we get relegated then attendance should be xero and the owners will sell.

  • Stevie W says:

    So year on year the capped budget for Asia Rays was breached without the slightest of concern by BIHL but then when the owner of Asia Rays is king pin on the BIHL board it is just license to print money as his holding over the board seems almost absolute hence why he is still hanging around.

    I would expect the share price to drop further and maybe that will cause some panic in the share ranks as the value falls below the original bought value which could cause a dump and cut your losses situation. With 42% in the public domain then any vultures out there could be looking for ripe pickings.

  • Dave mann says:

    Yeah right stevie?? V

  • bluenose08 says:

    latest news football league to start using vanishing spray. wouldn’t it be good if it worked on b.i.h.l.

  • Chris W says:

    The HKSE and Football League need to start digging into the all matters regarding BIHL, somewhere there must be a legal loophole or written proof of malpractice regarding a breach of rules.
    KRO+DNM

  • mark says:

    Well well they thought the daddy was a gonna , and out comes the bonds blowing away the small fry….. Now waiting for the appeal…… We won’t watch the team or support the manager because the owners are naughty men’s gosh I laughed my head off…..

    • steve says:

      Do you know what you’re talking about Mark ?. I,m not one for name calling,but i have to agree with what you,ve been called by others on here.

    • Art says:

      Sums up your infantile mentality nicely-Mark!

      • mark says:

        He not going anywhere you can call me whatever you want like I give sh*t………I support my team th9ugh thick and thin….I support the present manager……any way sticks and stones never hurt me….

        • bcfc1975 says:

          Hear hear mark regardless of owners supporting the team and manager is top priority

        • steve says:

          Mark,nobody is saying you shouldn’t support the manager and the team. It’s your hero worship of Yeung that bugs me. how can you worship the people that are responsible for our plight ?

          • mark says:

            As blue1975 has just said it about opinions mate you have yours, and I have mine……why my opinion bugs you only you can answer that….I personally don’t have a grudge against carson….. If that upsets others well they will have deal with that themselves.

      • Dave mann says:

        Art, it’s the other way round pal,he supports is team you don’t..I think it’s your mentality that needs looking at fit gods sake!!!!

        • Art says:

          I do support the team but have made it known that I will not line the pockets of the owners!

          It’s my choice and I don’t have a problem with those who wish to contine to plough money into the club -you obvivouly have a problem with those that don’t.

          • Dave mann says:

            You don’t support the team Art if you don’t go down…it’s your perogative but you can’t keep going on about being a supporter if you don’t want to get off your backside and support the players who’s fault it is not and the manager and coaches and staff members who’s fault it is not….you obviously haven’t been going down for a while then if that’s the case and no intentions of going down in the forseable future so I rest my case,sorry pal!

        • Art says:

          I’m an expat living in Cyprus since 2007.

          Are you saying that all expats and those who can’t afford to go to the games are not supporters.

          It’s just a ridiculous argument.

          • steve says:

            It is Art. Tbh,i don’t criticise anybody that doesn’t go to the game.I don’t know their circumstances. just because you can’t get to the game doesn’t mean you can’t have a view.

          • blue says:

            if people don’t put money into a club surely by definition they are fan’s not supporters.

        • steve says:

          Load of crap Dave

  • DoctorD says:

    Daniel — as Pannu’s Asia Rays contract ended on 30 September 2014, does that mean beyond that date he won’t get any more cash?

    I still would like to know EXACTLY what Asia Rays is supposed to have done that couldn’t have been achieved just by Pannu working in his ordinary capacity as director. It seems farcical. Clearly it was just Carson being nice to his pal.

    I mean when you went to his Asia Rays offices there was f* all going on.

    http://www.oftenpartisan.co.uk/archives/12595/postcards-from-hk-visiting-asia-rays.html

    • almajir says:

      Pannu will continue to be paid by BIH until he is removed as a director.

      Interestingly, the self-same annual report confirms BCFC paid Asia Rays £5k per month for three years to lease an office in HK. Wonder if it was that one? The people in that building said it had been empty for ages.

  • DoctorD says:

    Daniel — as Pannu’s Asia Rays contract ended on 30 September 2014, does that mean beyond that date he won’t get any more cash?

    I still would like to know EXACTLY what Asia Rays is supposed to have done that couldn’t have been achieved just by Pannu working in his ordinary capacity as director. It seems farcical. Clearly it was just Carson being nice to his pal.

    I mean when you went to his Asia Rays offices there was f* all going on.

  • Peter Bates says:

    At any other club there would have been mass protests at the ground not just a couple of choruses of we don’t care about Carson before there was nobody to protest to now there’s mr pavlakis and yeung junior but has it won’t probably make any difference I think not buying the merchandise is a way of protesting and can I say I will allways support the team and gr kro

  • andy says:

    Blues fans should turn out in numbers and support Gary Rowett and his team, what happens off the field and out in Hong Kong, we have no control over but the club has been uplifted since Rowett came in and decent results followed. The players have already stated how blown away they were with the support against Watford and that was just a small example of what St Andrews is about. Forget BIH, it is the most boring saga I have known, and lets keep St Andrew rocking.

  • Drew says:

    Unfortunately football perse has always operated outside of any sensible business practice and sadly the same could be said of hardcore football fans, whatever your team.
    In which other businesses would you see a Manager sacked for complete and total incompetence and then half a dozen days later be re-employed as the saviour for another?
    As for fans (of any club), we are all guilty of talking the talk but on the other hand presenting complete apathy when it comes to fighting our corner….why? … Because love, dedication, family loyalty and pride in our team gets in the way. No matter how disillusioned and disgusted we all are with this Godforsaken regime of ours, we turn up, cheer on our boys and try to pretend it’s not really happening to us…..and unfortunately this does nothing more than endorse to the rest of the football community and more importantly our distant ‘owners’, that we’ll all turn up regardless and we all accept whatever fate belies us. In essence, regulation football fan apathy.
    I completely accept that boycotting games will not financially bring this regime down, nor will any boycott on buying merchandise. However, with the greatest respect to those lobbying MPs and the Football League , neither will this.
    I’m afraid that the only time that genuine pressure seems to kick in is when media drivers dictate embarrassment, shame, and genuine ( however long term) financial pressures that are not sustainable. Do we ever hear Jeff Stelling talking in depth about our plight every Saturday? Do we regularly hit European football news channels with our plight? …the answer of course is NO as in all honesty we are just simply viewed as another ex Premier league club sliding downwards and the lower we fall the more ‘off the radar’ we become.
    Although we all know it will never happen, please indulge me for one minute and imagine a completely empty St Andrews for 10 games on the bounce ….. Painful isn’t it…..News worthy? … You bet it would be. Every home game a headline, powerful images of a desolate St Andrews, regular interviews (more work for you Dan) etc. etc.
    And before anyone start their usual slagging off of such opinions as above, I ‘had’ a season ticket for over 25 years, was mascot alongside wee Archie in 1979, didn’t miss one away game over a 7 year period, got married in a Blue Velvet suit much to my wife’s protestations, have tattooed my body in the name of my club etc. in essence, I am a supporter as much as anyone, care as much as anyone and prey that one day we can all have our beloved Club back.

  • raymondo says:

    CY is by no means guaranteed to win his appeal. If he doesn’t we could all send a message to him in H K Prison. You can guesss what that would be! Perhaps that would let him know once and for all what the blues fans think of him and Pannu! It might even persuade him to sell our beloved club? Anyone know the address of the prison?

  • Hk bluenose says:

    This is like a never ending soap opera
    Could make a tv series out of this.

  • raymondo says:

    I am so sick of all this boardroom stuff that we can do nothing about. Let’s just go down to Stans and support the lads. f… the chinese and CY, Pannu, BIHL, and HKSE until the whole thing is over! I’ve had enough! KRO.

    • Dave mann says:

      Raymondo your absolutely bang on with your post there because we can’t do sod all about the owners so why should you or me or all the other blue noses that go down stop doing something we love because of what other people are upto, total b&@£cks and totally immature excuses by so called adults …..there decision I know but so boring!

  • Ronj says:

    All blues fans must get behind GR he is a future star manager that we are lucky to get. Please no attempt at boycotting games. We need to get behind him and the team. There is nothing we can do to rid us of those HK parasites. However if they ever somehow come to Birmingham in person some form of direct action would be possible not least the release of anger that us supporters have had to endure under their stewardship. I am excusing the current spokesman appointed by them who also appears to be helpful to GR as much as he is able.

  • The Francis Fake says:

    I have always thought that the high level of remuneration that Pannu has been able to extract from the company was done to subsidise CY’s financial needs and to pay for his legal fees as this was possibly the only way for him to access cash as his assets were frozen, therefore, the misconception that Pannu was purely lining his own pockets should be discounted as he has been a legal outlet for CY to syphon funds from the club. Dan is Pannu now in a position whereby he can still extract funds from the club?

  • Dave mann says:

    Art why didn’t you say you were living in Cyprus? I appolagise for having a go at you for not going down but I’ve still got a grudge against others that won’t support the team in these difficult times purely because of the owners and live in the city…it’s just something that infuriates me to be honest

    • Tony says:

      Drew is correct, in which other business could a manager so inept ,so vilified, and so laughable,, be sacked by one club then re employed by another equally desperate club a few days later?
      Its crazy Some of us have begun enlightening the Blackpool supporters of what to expect I, will not rest until Clark is earning his coal dust well away from Football.

      • ian g says:

        Totally agree , don’t think it will take Blackpool fans long to work out how bad LC is as a manager, I said he would never get a managers job again, I forgot how desperate Blackpool were. That being said I am sure Mark will be defending his honour to the hilt again soon

        • mark says:

          Your bit late with your comments ian, just a reminder to let you know my opinions will be about rowetts. Clark has settled in Blackpool, and good luck to him.

  • DoctorD says:

    I have this weird feeling that Daniel’s gonna have to update his book and relabel the subheading: “The Rise and Fall and Rise” of Carson Yeung. Who knows, when I’m feeling in a positive mood, we’ll have Gary Rowett leading us to the play offs next year, a Cup run, money flowing in and the feelgood factor back. Yeung gets new investment, leaves jail and flies to St Andrew’s in a diamond-encrusted helicopter. If there’s one thing the last few years has taught us it is to expect the unexpected.

  • Mark says:

    Great comments from Drew.I am boycotting games because inho it`s the only way our plight will reach headline news and cause BIH acute embarrassment. And although financially it may not bring them down it HAS to have an effect.Those advocating the non-purchase of mrchandise make a point but if on the other hand you continue to hand over your money through the turnstiles it has little meaning. We need to shake them up and give them something to think about.Just a handful of games with a tiny crowd will focus their minds.Nothing else is going to work.

    • Richard Granfield says:

      How is boycotting games helping Gary Rowett and the players?
      Do you really think that crowds of 8000 will generate sustained headlines and embarrass BIH?
      I for one do not. It will cause more harm than good.

    • mark says:

      you be on your own while the others are enjoying the football inside…..lol

  • TracyKRO says:

    I think there’s only two ways they will sell the club.
    1, We go down to league 1
    2, Their shares drop so low they got next to nothing.
    If you don’t buy tickets or merchandise they will keep selling a young players such as Gray etc to keep them going do you really want this to keep happening
    KRO

    • Drew says:

      Like that won’t happen anyway? We could have 20,000 + crowds from now until Jan but that won’t matter one bit……. As soon a new ‘asset’ rises from the ranks they cash in.

      • TracyKRO says:

        You could be right Drew
        Im a st and I think in the last game Gray was the best man on the pitch when he came on. If they sell him it could be there final stay in the championship gone.
        kro

  • mark says:

    acute embarrassment??? yeah your right that why Carson just increased, and returned to be the daddy…….i am sure he have the fear god up him with two people standing outside giving it some, while the rest of us are cheering the team on lol

  • Swedish Bluenose says:

    Daniel, why not take action and write an open letter to the board of directors of BIH saying that if they want to sell this club in the near future, they shouldn’t sell our crown jewels, for example Demarai Gray and Koby Arthur, in the January window. If we lose them, the club’s worth would be so much less.
    I am sure that they read your blog so it could be influential.

  • Dave mann says:

    Total waste of time

  • jazzzy786 says:

    I’m bored with this shit. If you want to go and support your team do it and if not don’t. The board doesn’t really give a shit either way as money through the gate amounts for little of the total income.

    In the end it’s the individuals money and no one else really has a right to tell another how to spend his money.

    • Dave mann says:

      People can spend there money on what they want but don’t post on here that your a blues supporter if you don’t go down and support your so called club….if buying FIFA or pro ego or far cry or call of duty is more important than getting a ticket to go and see blues just a out sums up what kind of “fans”you are….part time and useless!!

      • jazzzy786 says:

        The people who come on here ARE blues fans and visit this site because they are interested in finding out the latest news on THEIR club. If they weren’t supporters of the club why would they even bother. It is the individual’s right on how he chooses to spend his money if he thinks spending it at the boozer or on a meal is better value than the football then it’s his prerogative. People aren’t going for a number of reasons but the main reason is we are a poor team to watch and people just don’t want to watch a team lose week in week out. If the standard being offered and results improve so will the attendances. I’m actually surprised we are still getting round about 15,000 with our atrocious home record over the last few years. Moaning at people for not going does nothing as it’s the person themselves who will decide whether they go or not.

  • bluenose08 says:

    jazzy 786 short and to the point well said.

  • biberblueblood says:

    Pannu did not renewed his contract and has no pay from UK or his consultancy’. I for one thank him for ensuring that the clubdid not go bust since 2011 and that we still have a club. I know many fans think this way too. Daniel admits he has enormous antipathy towards pannu and the reason is clear in his book as the club almost shut his site down for defaming him and Carson and the club but did not. So his criticisms need to be views in context– I understand his book will be looked as in HK for court actions there.

    • Drew says:

      I would suggest you need psychiatric assessment there mate. Pannu our saviour …… God help the world if you are actually celebrating this man as a hero? I suppose Jack the a Riper is also someone you admire.

    • Agent McLeish says:

      Are you Pointless Pete? Have you infiltrated to OP blog again?

    • blue lizard says:

      Dear idiot……next time you speak to Pannu can you tell him that Mr Lizard thinks he is a complete tosser and a waste of space…this opinion has been formed by myself and in no way influenced by Dan or OP..Mr Lizard also thinks you are cut of the same cloth

  • swissjonny says:

    Dear biberblueblood, your understanding of reality is clearly as poor as your command of the English language.I suspect that you are a BIH spy.Daniels book is an excellent factual account of a dark period in Birmingham City’s history.Daniel also has at his disposal some of Hong Kongs most prominent solicitors and advocats so If Pannu wants to try to gag him I suggest that he ‘ comes and has a go if he thinks he’s hard enough”.Now kindly go forth and multiply.

  • Art says:

    Will you also thank Pannu for financially rapeing our club and for lining his own pockets with money earned by hard working fans.

    As for Dan the only thing he’s guilty of is exposing Pannu and his cohorts for what they are a bunch of c…. S
    and for making the fans aware of the facts.

    Long may he continue to do so,

  • BhamCityJulian says:

    Pannu didn’t particularly save us from admin no more than anyone else woild have done ie sold assets. On the contrary his contracts were an unnecessary burden.

    If CY can use his shares to force BIH to bring him back to BCFC and give him another consultancy that should prove to the FL that he exerts authority which gives rise to him requiring to take the F&P test by which time the contract is on force

  • BhamCityJulian says:

    Jazzzy. He did what others would have done too: sold players

  • BhamCityJulian says:

    So CY has converted his worthless paper into worthless straw so he can win a vote to get Pannu back at BCFC and award AsiaRays another contract?

  • swissjonny says:

    CY and Pannu appear to have a very strong bond.I had a dream last night in which Pannus money was in fact being channeled to pay Cy’s legal bills and expenses.iIndeed in this dream Pannu got a new contract and the money was used for Carsens appeal.It was of course just a dream and has no connection with reality or any person either living or dead.My second dream of the night was even better-Kylie Minogue is still hot for her age!

    • mark says:

      how about Zigic returning again but on a lots less money surely you believe in Father christmas lol

      • Dave mann says:

        IDE have zigic back yesterday mark but I think I’ve made that point many times.kro.

        • mark says:

          hi Dave he training at wast-hills mate rowetts appears to have had a chat with him, nothing rule out as a possible return….if rowetts man-managements skills are anything to go by zigic wont be able to take the p*ss……..having said that if taken on who knows rowetts might get best out of him maybe worth a try if the money right….

  • Will says:

    Kylie & Danni now that was a dream!

  • Strettonbluenose says:

    I have a cunning plan to make both the “proper fans go to every game” and “boycott” people happy. Everyone who misses 1 game a season is banned. After 2 or 3 years Dave mann and the other one can congratulate themselves on being the most loyal supporters and the ground will be nearly empty putting pressure on BIH. Simples!

  • Dave mann says:

    That’s about as cunning as any of baldricks plans…..it would be nice if the “boycott” fans WENT to 1 game every season then after3 years they would have gone to as many games as I will go to in the next11days( Rotherham, forest, Blackpool) there loss, there mistake, there problem…as I’ve said before I thank god that I don’t have that approach to something your suppose to love but then not everybody is as happy in life as I am…oh what ashame, get well soon.lol,kro.

    • mark says:

      i tip my flat cap to you dave, hear,hear…..let them whine in their own juices lol

    • mark says:

      i tip my flat cap to you dave, hear,hear…..let them whine in their own juices lol

    • Drew says:

      I love my wife Dave but I don’t commit to spending money on her every weekend and most Tuesday nights. In any event, when I do spend money on her she rewards me with reciprocal love and a happy ending. I’m assuming 1 home win in over a year does not give you the same return? Or are you easily pleased?

    • Drew says:

      I love my wife Dave but I don’t commit to spending money on her every Saturday and most Tuesday’s. In any event, when I do spend money on her she rewards me with reciprocal love and a happy ending. ….. Perhaps one home win in over a year gives you the same results? If so, may I suggest you are possibly easily pleased Dave?

      • Dave mann says:

        My wife, my son and my football club give unconditional love 24/7 which includes all weekends and all Tuesday nights and in return I spend money on them every day and not occasionally on some weekends and some Tuesday nights like you only do you tight git and yes ime easily pleased with the love of my family my football club and my bank balance…keep smiling drew your get there one day,god nose when with your support!!!!

  • Dave mann says:

    I didn’t know zigic was raining at wast hills,is that for real?llol,kro.

    • StaffsBlue says:

      Yep. Both having a look at each other. Nothing decided either way. I would think after 4 months doing next to nowt, he’d be a few weeks away from the fitness required. Long enough for the manager to make a decision, one way or t’other.

  • Chas says:

    Here you are Dave, a PROMISE..IF Blues sign Ziggy, I will go to the first home match he plays in.;-)

  • Dave mann says:

    Good on yer chas , you know it makes sense.kro.

  • Hillfield blue says:

    Could see this one coming with Ziggy. His family are settled here and he’s obviously struggled to find a club. However if he’s fit he’s an asset as an impact player and gives us an option up front. He’s a cult hero and I’ve seen him change games and lift the crowd when he comes off the bench.If he was fit I would welcome him back.

  • Richard Granfield says:

    My worry is how Zigic will be able to feed his family on a mere £260,000 per annum, when he has been used to £3.3m!

  • Dave mann says:

    Home cooking instead of takeaways or restaurants Richard, he as to make sacrifices but returning to blues on lesser wages will give him the legendary status that he should have got had he signed at the end of last season…Ide be buzzing to see zigic back in a blues shirt again and another little glimpse of hope on top of Gary rowetts appoitment and our unbeaten run….there you go DREW how exiting is that along with a night out and then a night in bed with the wife… That would easily please me me old cocker!!! Lol like yours trullyxxxxxx

  • StaffsBlue says:

    Get Zigic fit and he’ll be a useful addition coming up to the festive period. I would think that the club would have to offer him, at least, a comparable deal to that of Donaldson. Even at his age, with his experience, he will probably still be one of the top earners at the club. It all depends whether the manager thinks he’s worth it. Only he will know that.

    • mark says:

      and rowett will be getting him training twice as hard, and like his previous predecessor take no cr*p of him……all good for the club imo hey staffs lol

      • StaffsBlue says:

        He’ll have to train hard to get his fitness up to the required level. As far as I’m aware, he’s not kicked a ball in anger since May. 6 months is a long time in football.

  • StaffsBlue says:

    Good luck and good health to Terry Cooper after his operations!

  • Dave mann says:

    Here,here…lots of love terry from all caring blues fans.kro

  • Dave mann says:

    Jazzy 786 , lets make it simple for you……if you don’t go to the game you are not supporting blues….. If my wife is in a show and I didn’t go I wouldn’t be supporting her would I …she would say to me that ime not bothered and couldn’t care less.. Stop being a d–k

    • StaffsBlue says:

      I wonder how many of those lads will make it to first team level.

      • mark says:

        not sure staffs, i would like to think Rowett would give maybe 3 or 4 opportunity to make the step up…Reece Brown had a good game, maybe hes under the radar at the moment…….


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