Often Partisan

Hall Right Now

Birmingham City have boosted their ranks with the season long loan signing of Grant Hall from Tottenham Hotspur. The 22-year-old centre-back played on loan at Swindon Town last season and was an ever-present for the Robins in League One until injury struck.

Hall is the second signing of the close season following the Bosman capture of Jonathan Grounds and could mark the start of a rush with Colin Tattum revealing in the Birmingham Mail that deals for Wes Thomas and a as-yet unnamed centre-half could be wrapped up shortly; Blues are also looking at Brentford striker Clayton Donaldson and there are rumours that a couple of midfielders could be on the way also. Clark has been clear in his desire to bring in players to make a core squad who aren’t loanees and despite the clear wage restrictions is doing what he can to make the squad competitive.

I understand that some people are disheartened by the seemingly low calibre of players who are being signed but I think this is where we are at; as much as BIH are in talks to sell a stake in the club there is no guarantee those talks will be successful and Clark has a responsibility to at least have a squad together which can compete – if Blues do get an infusion of cash it won’t hurt having a few extra bodies on less than 5k per week to bulk out the squad. I don’t wish to be the voice of doom but I’m not convinced at this moment that talks will move quickly enough to affect the squad immediately; I would hope that we have new investors by the start of the season but I think we’ve seen enough over the last few years to bank on nothing where Blues are concerned. The club isn’t as close to administration as some would believe; yes there is a lack of cashflow but because the club have stripped wages back they can continue to operate in the short-term at least.

If I’m honest I think Clark is doing a decent job this close season; Grounds strikes me as a player on the up while Hall has height and did a good job at Swindon. From what I’ve seen of fans’ comments Hall is thought of as being able to make the step up to the Championship. Thomas will give us a bit of pace; Donaldson’s record in League One has been consistently one in three or better and I think it wouldn’t be beyond the realms of probability he could at least do a job at our level. Even though there is all kinds of crap going on around the club Clark has not moaned – he’s just got on with it and tried to do what he can. I’m not a fan of his – I think he’s limited as a manager but I do admire his will to get on with things at a time when I would have walked out and I think it shows he does care about the club.

Rather than be pessimistic about Blues lets look at what is around us and realise that it’s not that bad; Leeds have had to close their training ground, can’t take season ticket renewals by bank or credit card, don’t have a full squad and are losing a million a month – and this is AFTER someone has bought into the club. Yes, it’s been a bit of a comedown but the club is in a better shape than ever for investment and there is hope that will come – and in the meantime we can at least bring in enough players that we won’t be reliant on untested kids and short-term loans from the start.

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183 Responses to “Hall Right Now”

  • John Ramsay says:

    I agree with your comments. Clark has got on with it without complaint and seems to know who to go for.They may not be well known to us but i’m sure these players will be hungry and have a point tp prove.
    We can all moan about Clark and some of his decisions last season but was working under extreme circumstances and for that reason I’m prepared to cut him some slack.

    • Stan031 says:

      No, there is no excuse for the boring, drivel we have had to witness at home the last couple of seasons. Listening to him RonToss he is the most uninspiring manager I’ve ever heard. Committed he may be, but whilst he’s our manager i am not going to renew my season ticket.

      • Zulu Steve says:

        Yes, I was uninspired by his dash down the touch line to the fans on the last day of the season!!!!!!
        Give the guy a break, I don’t see how we can judge him when he is operating in such restraints, he is entering a formula 1 race with the finances for a ford focus brought off a scrap dealer.
        Lets lay off Clarke until he has had a level playing field to the likes of McLeish etc.

        • mark says:

          Nicely put Zulu….

        • Chris W says:

          I agree to his financial constraints but there is no excuse for tinkering every week and playing players out of position.
          As Burnley and Leicester proved as settled team gets results, Burnley more so because they probably had the smallest squad in the division. I am not on about injuries or recalls, Reilly was and never will be a left back.
          KRO+DNM

        • tmsblues says:

          Just take a look at his selections and home results, how could he inspire any pro that knows a bit about the game. Enthusiasm and passion can be effective motivators but LC simply lacked the consistency of purpose to capitalise on these qualities.

  • freddie__t says:

    Happy to see signings being made and things are able to happen. Has there been anymore news on Contract talks with Zigic and Packwood?

  • StevieW says:

    Another loanee in a key position. Not good when the parent club comes calling.

    • John Ramsay says:

      He’s here for the season. There is no recall option.

      • StevieW says:

        I take it you wrote the contract? As with all contracts there will be something to recall him should the need arise.

        • Dom says:

          “Crucially for Clark, the season-long loan doesn’t include a recall option, something that inadvertently hampered his side during the 2013/14 campaign with the likes of Kyle Bartley and Dan Burn being recalled by their respective parent clubs.”
          Read more at http://www.bcfc.com/news/article/20140604-official-birmingham-city-bag-tottenham-hotspur-defender-1598521.aspx#T1rMTvl2cAcQVx4P.99

        • Steve says:

          Why didn’t City get Joe Hart back when they wanted him then? All reports say that there is no recall option.

          • Staffs Blue says:

            I think, as with Scott Allen last season, all 3 parties (2 clubs and player) have to agree to terminate a loan early. I think Clark agreed to them solely to stay on good terms with Prem clubs for the future.

        • Chrisg says:

          Stevew, do you homework before you start moaning, we, ‘ve paid a small fee to spurs to make sure there is no recall

          • StevieW says:

            Oh you wrote the contract as well. You obviously believe everything you read as well. As for Joe Hart it is good to see so many informed people “In the know” of what went on in conversations between Blues and Man City. As for homework I don’t need to as long as people like you are quick to jibe people with your so called found facts.

          • OftenPartisan says:

            Try reading the Evening Mail piece Steve… ;)

          • Steve says:

            Did he go back? No.They asked for him back and blues said no. As Staffs said,unless there is a prior agreement,all clubs have to agree on a player returning. Dan,obviously everybody is wrong apart from StevieW

        • Chris says:

          No there isn’t, only if Blues agreed to it like we did with Burn & Bartley and that was only because we couldn’t afford them.

    • Pete says:

      Have you not read anything said? This is assured they CANNOT recall the player.

  • Bluehobba says:

    Hall could just be a good loan signing for us with no recall kro

    • Chris W says:

      Didn’t we have both Burn and Bartley on season long loans?
      They were called back because we didn’t pay the loan fee, if I am correct, so lets hope we don’t make the same mistake this season and ensure we have him for the duration.
      KRO+DNM

  • dave mann says:

    well said dan about lee clark doing what he can in the short term to bolster the squad and signing the right kind of players for the the right kind of positions, grant halls done well at swindon and is contracted to a premiership team in spurs and at 22 is
    the right age and a good centre half….jonathan grounds ime not to sure about but
    hes 26 can play in the centre half or left back position and also looks a solid signing.
    …..we cant expect anything more as it stands so let lee do is job and keep looking
    to get the numbers up because 17 or so players left last month and we need bodies
    to bring in competition…..if and when the new investors come in we then might see
    more names were familiar with comming to blues and money being spent!!.KRO.

  • dave mann says:

    a bit belated but i would aso like to welcome back staffs blue to the fold…..nice to hear from you again you old dog you….i myself only came back to the fold last week but
    enjoying the banter again and after the bolton experience which was from a supporters point of view something that will be very hard to top, another season in the championship and looking forward more to august 9th than the world cup because
    blues always comes first…and alwayswill do. KRO.

    • Staffs Blue says:

      Cheers Dave. Back at ya mate. :)

      I wasn’t at Bolton sadly, but I was at the 3 previous home games. Against Blackburn and Leeds, we were done in the air, so it’s good to see our two new defenders are around 6’3.” Unfortunately, people who are only interested in the Premier league and top of the Champs will always moan about players brought in from lower divisions. I’m sure people would have moaned if we’d brought in the likes of Jordan Rhodes, Ricky Lambert a few years ago. ;)

      • Chas says:

        Sod them Staffs, remember Michael Johnson, Steve Claridge, Martin Grainger ? All Heros, all from lower Divisions.

        • Staffs Blue says:

          Loved Grainger’s attitude…. and old Worzel with his socks permanently rolled down. Happy days! :)

      • Tony says:

        Done in the air Staffs their forward jumped a foot higher than our defenders

  • Steblues says:

    Top marks to our manager i reckon…to convince any half decent player to sign for us at the moment is nothing short of a miracle … Got to give it to wor lee what he lacks in tactics and gameplay he makes up with blue pssion KRO

    • Steve says:

      How do you know they’re half decent? If they were that good surely they would be earning more than we can offer them.Come on ste,you can’t tell me you know anything about these players.At the moment we’re just filling the squad with players we can afford. I really hope they are quality and they move us on to better things,but i,ll reserve judgement until i’ve seen them play.

  • Richard Granfield says:

    Yesterday I congratulated Lee Clark for his signings of Grounds and Hall, both of whom are Championship class.
    The fear is that Clark may be forced to recruit League 1 standard players like Donaldson. League 1 standard players lead to League 1 football!

    • Steve says:

      And Wes Thomas

    • Staffs Blue says:

      Unfortunately, this is the market we’re in but, saying that, we won’t get many better strikers for the kind of money we’re offering. I’ve always liked Donaldson, since his days at Crewe. He scores all kinds of goals and with a bit of swagger too. He could become a fan’s favourite if he got off to a good start. Check out the 2 compilations of his goals on You Tube.

    • Chris says:

      Lambert was playing League one and two till he was 27 then he played another season in League One with Southampton.
      Now he’s playing for England at 32 and Champions League.
      Gems are there if they can compliment and suit your teams players and style.

      • Richard Granfield says:

        Chris. Lambert is an exceptional case, but there are players in the lower leagues who would grace the Championship. I trust Clark to identify them. Signing them is another matter.

  • William Styler says:

    Big Swindon link with the player coincidence?

  • AussieBlue says:

    Agreed…at least we have movement and an emerging strategy. We’ve taken our bitter medicine early and the BCFC patient appears to be ‘stable’ for now. Let’s hope there is no relapse. Another big gobby Brum welcome for Grant Hall!

  • Chris W says:

    Like you I am not a Lee Clark fanatic, I do admire the fact he is getting on with a job he might soon lose. Not really sure why he is hanging in with so many vacant positions that would probably have better conditions and less restraints.
    The main concern has to be the apathy shown by BIHL along with the silence, if not to us then surely the HKSE.
    You shop where you can afford and hope you get a decent deal, League one players can and have stepped up with some success, the skill factor might not be there but I doubt you can question their effort, dedication and a willingness to prove everyone they were right to sign them.
    We saw last season that too many loans left us well short in certain departments so it is only right that we have players who can fill the gaps. We also saw that some of the loans were not up to the job despite being with top clubs, Blackett definitely not ready to step up to league football, Rusnak lacked commitment and then there was Scott Allen.
    I would rather see a team of our own players giving 100% than loans going through the motions. We did benefit with the likes of Huws and Macheda, both will be stars of the future.
    KRO+DNM

  • dave mann says:

    the thing is staffs, supporters should be intelligent enough to know that we cant shop
    at harrods or marks & sparks but only tescos and the co-op and should post sensible
    posts that take that situation into account, theres no investment as we speak and no
    deals done with future owners so lets be sensible and realise that the manager can only do what he can do and yes we will be struggling at the bottom of the league if
    this saga drags on…we cant sign “top” players without any money…simples!!!. KRO.

    • Staffs Blue says:

      I think even Lee Clark has had enough of having to fill the team with loan players who have no affinity to the club. Personally, I’d rather see our own players any day, even if they aren’t premier quality.

    • Chas says:

      Well I have just been to M&S and they didn’t have a thing I wanted so I called into Primark and got the stuff straight away, so sometimes it pays to shop downmarket. And I certainly wouldn’t pay Waitrose prices for the same stuff I can get from Aldis either. ( there is a moral in this Post, paying top dollar doesn’t always get you the best buys)

    • Chris says:

      Burnley built their squad last year in a similar manner except for Barnes
      Tom Heaton Bristol City Free
      Alex Cisak Oldham Athletic Free
      Scott Arfield Huddersfield Town Free
      David Jones Wigan Athletic Free
      Ashley Barnes Brighton & Hove Albion £750000
      Chris Baird Unattached Free
      Loan Michael Kightly Stoke City

  • dave mann says:

    the thing that gets me is that we were 3 mins from league one with players like
    zigic, mechada, ibe, caddis, adeyemi, huws, burke, randolph…..so can any one out there tell me that those players are not good enough for the championship and are of
    league one status…we as fans dont know whats good enough for either level, we just think we do…look at burnley, nearly relegated to league one the season before last and are know a premier league club!!!!, leave it to the manager to decide whos good
    enough at what level…they get the bunce not us! KRO.

    • Staffs Blue says:

      Clark has as much, if not more, love and passion for this club as any ex-player etc. You can’t buy that kind of loyalty. I know I’m in a minority, but I’m glad he’s still here.

      • Steve says:

        Come on Staffs.He’s just saying the right things that he thinks we want to hear.He’ll be gone if a better offer comes in.Even with money i don’t think he will take us much further. Very few Players and Managers have a love for the club that employs them.Love and passion for his job,maybe.The club no.

        • Staffs Blue says:

          Fair enough, I respect your opinion Steve. Only time will tell which one of us is right.

        • dave mann says:

          lets hope a better manager does become available steve that we can afford to employ because untill that happens were stuck with lee clark and love him or loath him ( and i cant understand for the life of me why anybody would loath him)
          hes our manager and a bit of support wouldnt go a miss from all supporters to back him while hes in the hot seat.KRO.

          • Steve says:

            Dave,i think you’ll agree that he gets massive support at the games.The blogs and forums are the only place he is criticised.Seven home wins in two seasons will explain why Lee clark isn’t liked.We’re not a top six club,but last season he had a top half squad in my opinion.

          • Small Heath Blue says:

            How do you arrive at the top half squad opinion, bearing in mind that we paid the second lowest wages, when you deduct Zigics salary, and we had to replace loanees recalled in January with inferior quality replacements.

          • Staffs Blue says:

            I agree. While we still had Bartley, Burn and Lingard etc, we were 7 points from the play-offs. The wheels came off in the new year when they left and Clark had to start all over again. (Again.) As for the support at home, against Blackburn, Leeds and Wigan, I heard constant chants of “you don’t know what you’re doing.” All around me, people were screaming abuse at the dug out, the players… even other fans. The likes of Burke, Spector and Reilly just went into their shells and never came out again. People are entitled to have a go for sure, but it doesn’t help.

          • Chris W says:

            I think on the whole the supporters were quite tolerant considering our home record, I’m glad I went to the away games to see some decent results. It was hard to comprehend that we played totally differently away from home and yet there was no pressure coming from the stands at home.
            People did become confused with some of the decisions and changes made by LC and if you pay your money you are entitled to an opinion and I believe you can vent your anger. The Blackburn line up totally confused everyone including the players on the pitch.
            The fact that there was no one from Hong Kong was also frustrating as they were really the ones the supporters wanted to vent their anger at, I know I did.
            KRO+DNM

          • Staffs Blue says:

            Yes, Chris, I did say “People are entitled to have a go for sure, but it doesn’t help.”

            I must be honest and say that the Blackburn selection had me completely stumped. I think he was just trying something off the wall to try and get a win. It could have worked, but it didn’t. It failed miserably. There was nothing wrong with the selection for the last 3 games though imo.

          • Chris W says:

            Main thing is he got it right at Bolton, don’t want to go through that again, my emotions that day were worse than when we lost to Liverpool on penalties, and I cried that day too. I never believed we would go down, but at 2-0 down I began to doubt my own belief.
            KRO+DNM

          • Small Heath Blue says:

            Trouble is with Blues, is we never want to be in that position again, but somehow we know we will be!

          • Chris W says:

            Thats why we love them, predictably unpredictable.
            KRO+DNM

          • Steve says:

            With this manager and these owners,we won’t survive next season.I will renew and i will travel to watch the team.Players,owners and managers come and go.It’s still BCFC whoever manages and plays for us.

          • Staffs Blue says:

            That’s my view too. The one and only time I felt we might be going down, was when Bolton got their second goal. I’m sure everyone, from manager down to the players thought that too. But that feeling only lasted 2 minutes until Zigic scored. By the way, I have to say that Zigic was brilliant in that game. That’s the Zigic I’ve wanted to see all along.

          • mark says:

            If we can get him playing like that for under 5grand week I be very happy..kro

          • Mr Crosby says:

            Would you take your current job for 1/10 of the wage?

          • mark says:

            Yes, if i like where I am, and love job….obviously Ziggy made a cool a 4mil in wages from his contract…. It certainly up to him now and what he wants from football now………he knows the pay he might only be looking at a two year contract possibly with a year option………or it might be just a one year with a possible option of another year…..if the player is settled in b’ham he may fancy some my examples of the possible terms offered. If it a big no then he will be gone, because obviously money still dictates his life style……

          • Mr Crosby says:

            Yeah right.

          • Richard Granfield says:

            Yes if my current wage was £65000 per week and I was approaching retirement.

          • Chris W says:

            That was playing to his strengths and him putting himself about for the cause, if he did that every game I wouldn’t have such a problem with him. I like the guy, it is just his attitude at times and the fact we don’t play him right.
            KRO+DNM

          • mark says:

            I believe they booed zigic off at the home game with Nottingham forest where Ziggy had a mare…..

          • Chris W says:

            He did deserve it too in that game, Ziggy being Ziggy, he can be brilliant, not in my eyes mind, or just lazy and against Forest he really was lazy. If we play to Ziggy’s strengths and not just hoof it route one he can be an asset to the team, before I get slated for my comment.
            KRO+DNM

          • Steve says:

            Ziggy kept us up IMO.

          • Chris W says:

            And the ten other players on pitch, but I agree it was one of his better games. After All football is a team game and when the team play well together good results follow.
            KRO+DNM

          • Chris W says:

            On paper they were more than capable of finishing a decent mid table, you do have to question LC’s tinkering all the time that hampered that and of course the fact we lost our central defenders in January.
            KRO+DNM

          • Small Heath Blue says:

            I do agree that LC’s tinkering can have a detrimental affect, and I think once we get into a rut he tinkers too much to try to get us out, instead of possibly going back to basics, this is why I think he would benefit from stronger backroom staff.

          • Chris W says:

            Still a bit of a mystery as to why Terry Mac and Faz left, even now I don’t think he has a strong enough backroom staff, not always good promoting within, sometimes new blood can lift spirits and halt complacency and I do think some of Blues problems were down to complacency. Players knew they wouldn’t be dropped, as proved with some of the performances of certain players.
            KRO+DNM

          • Staffs Blue says:

            Again, I think it was down to finances. Hence the reason he promoted from within… where really, he needed to replace them with someone of equal experience, but with fresh ideas. A Lennie Lawrence kind of figure.

          • Chris W says:

            Another reason he puts himself under so much pressure he has no one to point things out, offer alternatives or see options. That might be why they left because he was too pigheaded or set in his ways, something we will never know I suppose.
            KRO+DNM

          • Steve says:

            SHB,you baffle me.You criticjse people and now you’re agreeing with em

          • Tony says:

            Quite Steve Quite

          • Small Heath Blue says:

            How was I criticising Chris W, and just because I am a Clark fan, doesn’t mean I think he is without fault, but I also think he will learn from this season.

          • Steve says:

            If Clark had played the right players in the right positions,we would have been safe a well before the last game.

          • Tony says:

            didnt seem to matter with away form did it?

          • Tony says:

            Dave the whole point is this, last seasons squad was good enough for a midtable finish we escaped relegation by the skin of our teeth. The previous years squad should have finished top six but he knackered that.
            Let no one be taken in by his supposed passion of jumping into the crowd and all that crap its all an illusion the man is totally inept he doesnt know where he is most of the time.
            Look at the facts the worst home record in the football league.presiding over what for me was the worst performance by any team wearing the colours I refer of course to Barnsley at home. Any fool can put his head in his hands and cry and lament the effects on his family, this is down to him him alone.Not only is he a pathetic football manager he is a totally pathetic man.

          • Small Heath Blue says:

            Tony the bigot calling someone else pathetic! always the personal attacks Tony, hence you get it back plus a bit more you small minded idiot! How was the second lowest paid squad in the division good enough for mid table. Every player I mentioned you slagged not so long ago, so make up your mind bigot.

          • Staffs Blue says:

            Now now girls… play nicely. :)

          • Small Heath Blue says:

            Staffs calling Clark a pathetic man, is one of his milder attacks. Hence if he dishes it out, he should be man enough to take it.

          • Staffs Blue says:

            Countering one insult with another doesn’t really get us anywhere though tbh. We all know Tony’s views and he’s entitled to them. We don’t all have to agree. :)

          • Tony says:

            Being attacked by you is like being savaged by a dead sheep

          • Tony says:

            Difference between us is you get wound up Im on the floor laughing

          • Steve says:

            Who are you to critisise personal attacks?

          • Chris W says:

            Well said Dave, I am not a lover of Lee Clark but as you say he is our manager and he is doing the best he can with the tools available. I just wish he would stop tinkering.
            KRO+DNM

      • Chris W says:

        I agree with the passion and his loyalty, many a manager would have walked come the seasons end. I just hope he has learnt that square pegs do not fit round holes and looks at a settled group. At least he is looking to fill the gaps with players we own and not depending on loans.
        It makes you wonder where the finance is coming from or who is sanctioning it, if only BIHL would be more informative and communicating with the supporters maybe we would be more understanding.
        KRO+DNM

        • Staffs Blue says:

          Only thing I would say in reply Chris, is that a lot of the time, the round pegs didn’t fit into the round holes either. All the blame seems to be thrown at Clark where, for me, the players let him and the fans down almost every week. Some of them were atrocious, even in their right positions.

          • mark says:

            Total agreement, and Clark management style was to possibly over protect them at times….

          • Staffs Blue says:

            Now that, I wouldn’t argue with. What Doyle has to do to get a game, I have no idea. Randolph must have been sponsored by Specsavers for the last few weeks. There were definitely half a dozen who should have been dropped for me.

          • Chris W says:

            I agree with that, the only thing in his defence he had no one other than Doyle, I’m surprised he didn’t play him at centre forward, he tried everything else.
            He said he played players in positions they had played before, well Doyle had played centre forward in ireland.
            KRO+DNM

          • Staffs Blue says:

            Hopefully, we’ll have more players this season who want to pull the shirt on and put in a proper shift. That would be a good start.

          • Chris W says:

            That is LC’s thinking too hence the signings, he is also giving himself the chance to build partnerships, especially in defence where we really did struggle after Burn and Bartley were recalled.
            KRO+DNM

          • mark says:

            In a nutshell staffs

          • Chris W says:

            Can’t argue about some of the players not performing which I questioned during the season that he didn’t have their support. At the end of the day he is responsible for morale and maybe one or two should have been dropped and made an example of, unfortunately he didn’t have too many options in the end.
            KRO+DNM

          • Staffs Blue says:

            I don’t think it was down to morale or not having their support… I’ve not heard anyone yet criticise the man. But I do think a lot of players didn’t have the stomach for a fight. The ones that did pulled us through in the end.

          • Chris W says:

            I never heard anything from the players, but I did hear rumours from people in and around the camp that all was not as cosy as seemed. A lot of the so-called experienced players definitely let LC, the club and themselves down when they were needed most.
            At Bolton everyone pulled in the same direction and fought to the very end, including the supporters.
            I missed two away games and was always surprised at the away support, no more so than Middlesbrough on a tuesday night.
            At Bolton it was phenomenal, given the circumstances it was better than Wembley for me.
            KRO+DNM

          • mark says:

            Ziggy for one…once Clark sorted the splatsplat with Ziggy is actually a better player under Clark than he was under Houghton……

          • Chris W says:

            He still went missing for long periods during games. Probably his best game came at Bolton, even more so than Wembley.
            KRO+DNM

          • mark says:

            Individual mistakes cost us points…

    • Chris says:

      and without seeing it in black and white i would guess Burnley don’t pay more than 5 or 10k a week to most of their players

  • dave mann says:

    thats exactly what is said earlier this week about lee that is passion is second to none and he showed that to millions of viewers at bolton so ide stick with him until someone can come up with anyone better for pittance.KRO.

  • ian says:

    no point shopping for a Rolls Royce if all you can afford is a reliant.
    at least clarke is trying to get us sorted for the kick off.
    i don’t see tottenham getting that desperate that they need to recall an untested kid to fight for champions league.

  • dave mann says:

    well chas if you want someone who can shop on a budget and still get desent goods
    then lee clarks your man, no question.KRO.

  • dave mann says:

    i think buy the start of next season we will have more of our own players than any body elses weather there good enough or not….were know by may next year.KRO.

  • Staffs Blue says:

    I think Lee Clark has to be given some money to spend before he can be truly judged. Give him the dosh and if things are no better by Xmas, fair enough, time for change.

    • Steve says:

      Sorry Staffs but i wouldn’t trust him with any money.Most of the players he has spent money on,he bombed out.

      • Small Heath Blue says:

        How many players has he spent money on? And players such as Ambrose, Mullins and Lovenkrands, no one on here said they were bad signings at the time, Caddis is the only other player a fee has been paid for. When backed by the club he’s signed players that have brought I big profits, Jordan Rhodes and Anthony Pilkington brought in over 11 million for Huddersfield!

        • Steve says:

          I thought they were decent signings.How many games did they play ?

          • Small Heath Blue says:

            It was an example as to making successful signings, as well you know. No we’re not Huddersfield, they are way more successful than us at the moment, probably the 11 million quid they had in transfer profits. so rather than being facetious, and always finding the negative in Clark, lighten up.

          • Steve says:

            If you look at my previous posts over the last two years,i will never be a Clark supporter.I,m a season ticket holder and go to all weekend away games.I never boo the team and i never slag or boo Clark during tha game,IMO,he will never be a good manager.Most of our problems this last season have been down to his selection and formations.All this bollox of playing players that have worked hard in training have back fired on him that many times this season have shown him to be the inept manager he is.IMO,thats not being facetious.

          • Stan031 says:

            Nailed it Steve! Taxi for Lee Clark!

          • tmsblues says:

            Smack on Steve. If new investors don’t announce a new manager then you have to doubt their ambition. Such an announcement would add substantially to st sales too so why wouldn’t they make a change right from the off?!

  • Staffs Blue says:

    I’m too old and long in the tooth to get all angst-y over footy Chas. Plus, high blood pressure helps. lol To be honest, I’ve seen all before. We’ll get there in the end. Patience is a virtue.

  • Art says:

    Me neither Staffs.

    Hopefully he will go when the revolution starts

    Good to see you back and looking forward to our debates.

  • Raymondo says:

    I agree totally. Clark, in my opinion, deserves a medal for his fortitude in all this.

  • williammorgan says:

    Last December it was in Lee we trust by many until BandB left and new players never
    Were as good…the players we want we can’t afford .so Lee has to take a chance on the players he has available ..this window he is looking at 6 footers to give us an edge
    ..what ever ,there are players in the first division we can’t afford until we move on.,,Lee is trying every thing to get a good team together …the ypung guns will be maturing this season .let’s not lose focus of distant light ..KRO

  • mark says:

    What Clark must have mentioned to the top brass what he did not want to go though a crazy season like that again. Getting your players in early where possible, like he has mentioned they will feel like our players with out the threat of recall. He knows that to many goals were shipped at the back,too many 3nil head starts was simply not good enough…….How things would have been different if Bartley and burns had that contract with us with no recall in???

  • dave mann says:

    steve, his home record is shocking and propably the worst in our history but its the fans that go to the games that also slag him off as well as fans on here but my argument is not weather hes good enough for the job because i would also get someone else in but weather hes likeable, and as a proper supporter i cant understand why even though hes not a great manager hes a likeable guy and thats my stand on it……not to like him is foreighn to me and not warranted. KRO.KRO.

    • mark says:

      Actually dave I think he is a convert bluenose after the Bolton game…..if he ever did eventually leave the club in IMO I believe he will always affinity with us…..

    • Steve says:

      Dave,he didn,t have a bottom 4 squad.We should have been safe well before the last game.His tinkering and baffling selections put us in the position we were in.

      • Chris says:

        i think he did post Christmas, without Burn and Bartley, taking on loans who were totally free, meaning they were all kids except for Macheda.
        Losing King and not being able to replace him.
        Shipping out Elliot & Mullins because we couldn’t afford their wages, Ambrose because he was just useless (and yes LC signed him i know).

        He also then lost perfoming players Adeyemi, Hancox and Reilly injured for weeks.
        Spector and Lovenkrands never turned up all season.
        So i think post xmas we did have a bottom six team.

  • Art says:

    Clarks record reduced the home gates by at least 4000 -he’s a liability that new owners can’t afford .

    • Small Heath Blue says:

      Oh so now its Clark reducing home gates, weren’t you an advocate of people boycotting games under the current ownership. You can’t have it both ways!

      • Steve says:

        It doesn’t help does it? Seven home wins in two seasons doesn’t attract supporters.

        • mark says:

          No it does not but neither does the circumstances you are working under…….

          • Chris says:

            the circumstances were no different at Millwall, Charlton, Blackpool, Doncaster, or Barnsley who all won more games at home, so more fans at home games = more money to spend on players.

          • mark says:

            Unfortunately our away record was second to none…..sometimes it never works the way you want it……let’s hope we have a good home form as well away victories next season….

        • Staffs Blue says:

          I’m not blinkered to Clark’s mistakes, he made plenty of them. I just think the players should take as much criticism, but you don’t often see it. Tbh, I wouldn’t mind seeing the back of most of last season’s squad. They certainly let me down.

      • Art says:

        So why didn’t the fans turn up?

        As for boycotting the games-I did support this policy and will continue to support it until PP and his cronies disappear.Sadly I don’t have to campaign very hard as it would appear 4000+ fans are already doing it.

    • mark says:

      Art they were all at the Bolton game lol

  • Staffs Blue says:

    When Clark is given the finances to buy the players he wants, instead of always the players the club can afford, then I’ll really judge him.

    • Small Heath Blue says:

      Totally agree!

    • Chas says:

      Staffs,have you ever read The Glasgow Herald Sports Page Comments when Rangers and Celtic Fans discuss affairs ? It is an eye opener, the courtesy they show to each other is amazing, rarely any animosity and hardly any name calling. Have a look at the Sports pages and see.
      Apologies Daniel for interloping, you can delete this when you want.

      • Staffs Blue says:

        Never read it Chas, but I’ve put it on my list. :)

        No matter what another fan says, whether I agree or not, I’ll never resort to personal attacks, it’s not my way. It doesn’t hurt to be curteous, even if someone has differing views. At the end of the day, they’re as much entitled to their opinion as I am mine.

        • Chris W says:

          How true Staffs, we all see things differently but at the end of the day we are all Birmingham City supporters and we all want the same end product, 100% commitment for the club and supporters.
          KRO+DNM

    • Chris W says:

      Do you think that will ever happen Staffs? The present board have no money and a new board will probably set a budget and see where he can take us, that is if they don’t bring their own man in straight off.
      KRO+DNM

      • Staffs Blue says:

        I can’t see it happening whoever takes over tbh Chris. If they do bring in their own man, fair enough, they’re entitled to. But I’ll be sad to see Clark go, without ever being given a real chance.

    • Steve says:

      Staffs,you know we will never agree over Clark. Most of his mistakes this season have had nothing to do with money.

      • Staffs Blue says:

        Of course not mate. But ain’t that what footy’s all about? Opinions. ;)

      • tmsblues says:

        Steve you are so right . Clark’s crazy footballing logic must have effected team morale ages ago. The budget head little or nothin to do with these issues. It took this guy 5 months to recognise the team had a psychological issue at home. Nuff said maybe the analysis was more apt closer to home …….. Regardless when any team cannot win at home then clearly the buck stops at the team boss.

    • mark says:

      Here, here staffs

    • beegeeblueboy says:

      We know that already: Ambrose

  • bluenoserob says:

    can anyone answer this question ..

    which ex birmingham player has scored more World Cup final goals than Lionel Messi, Cristiano Ronaldo and Wayne Rooney?

  • Stephen Hayes says:

    Looking at the premiership released players list their are a lot young players that have been released & I hope that our youth set up are looking at a few of them with a view to bolstering the youth ranks with a view to some first team action within 12 months.

  • bluenoserob says:

    Arsenal have retained Ajayi Oluwasemilogo Adesewo Ibidapo , if he was your fav player think how much it would cost for his name on your shirt , more than a season ticket ….well not at arsenal …..lol

    actually looking at the list , i wouldnt think many of the ones ive heard of will be looking at blues , most players will want to be paid more than the minimum wage.

  • mark says:

    Daniel I wonder what the chances of getting Huws on a season loan with no recall???

  • mark says:

    Also would tom Thorpe equally be a great aquistion for a season loan??

    • Staffs Blue says:

      Sorry mark, I wasn’t impressed with Thorpe at all. Easily beaten in the air and too many mistakes on the deck. I think if he’d played in the Bolton game, we would have gone down. The only loan players I’d have back are probably Huws and Ibe.

      • mark says:

        Yes I agree staffs he certainly made mistakes, like all young players they are prone to this IMO….IMO it was a massive learning curve for these young loaned players….a lot of different from playing in your clubs development side to the cut and thrust of the championship….definitely would like huws to return….if possible

        • Staffs Blue says:

          Personally, I would say that we can’t afford to be blooding these young loanees again this season. We need players who are going to hit the ground running, not take half a season to get used to the league. I think a 2 or 3 decent loan players and the rest our own if possible.

      • Chris W says:

        I think we are going to have to find another macheda too, we won’t be able to afford that kind of forward., the others I totally agree, be even better if we could afford to sign them.
        KRO+DNM

        • Staffs Blue says:

          We’re still to see what Matt Green can do too. If we buy another quick forward to play alongside him, who knows what could happen.

          • Chris W says:

            He will be a bonus, someone commented that he has only just began running so he could be someway off match fitness yet.
            He could be the jewel in the crown, hopefully.
            KRO+DNM

          • Staffs Blue says:

            There’s still about 8 weeks to kick off, so hopefully there will be some good news on him by then.

  • tmsblues says:

    Clark could of course just be fulfilling his contractual obligations as manager so that this is not grounds for his dismissal which might affect his pay off! We may have avoided the drop to league one but we are building a squad ready for it ! If the sale is delayed the nearer we will be to league one sadly.

    • Staffs Blue says:

      If we’re building a team for League 1, as you say, then it’s solely down to the owners and lack of finance. You can’t put together a team to challenge for the Prem with £5k p/w players. I think so far this summer, he’s done quite well with the pennies he has. I don’t think anyone at the club will allow last season to happen again.

    • Small Heath Blue says:

      Fulfilling his contractual obligations…. Do you really believe some of the stuff you write. If he was doing that he could basically just sign anyone and pay them 5k .Do grow up. You anti Clark posters will say anything to try to do him down.

  • mark says:

    I feel Clark will be signing more players next week just to keep us pro-clark supporters happy…….for me personally huws would be a massive coup on season long loan…keep me fingers crossed…

    • Small Heath Blue says:

      Unfortunately Mark, it appears some PL sides are in for Huws, so whilst it would be great him coming back, I just can’t see it!


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